Most OP Fictional Character?

DemetrioMachete said:
Oh wait.


If we're not talking just strictly 1x1 arena battles what about Yoshikage Kira?


If Killer Queen's bomb blows you up, it erases every trace of your physical body and soul.


Sheer Heart Attack is useless has no weakness C: But it is impervious to physical attack.


Bites the Dust kills when people try to learn of Kira.


Hm..


Being dumb here, but the Fallen Human from Undertale?


On the basis that they can savescum to cheat death, deal lethal blows to living creatures with sticks, toys, and notebooks, as well as potentially befriend any opponent they fight.


Or you know, us. :3 We can always opt to never read/watch the media these op characters are portrayed in, thus defeating them.
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DemetrioMachete said:
Here's another couple.


Bo-bobo Bobobo-bo (like with Saitama, the power of Parody can prevail over reality warpers like Flandre.)


Mr. Popo (The TeamFourStar version. No explanation necessary.)


Jotaro Kujo (Star Platinum's ability is not time stop, it is Deus ex Machina.)


Squirrel Girl.. I dunno. She effortlessly defeated Deadpool, Dr. Doom and Thanos.


The Doom Marine genocides demons with conventional and energy weapons. He's probably top-tier in the "Fighting Normals" but unable to battle reality warpers.


Superman.


Most Daedric entities from Elder Scrolls.


How doth Touhou stack up against them?
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Yoshikage Kira vs. Touhou: As far as I could research about Killer Queen's first bomb, it seems to have only been used on stand users, specifically humans. The few humans with combat abilities in  Touhou are far above the level of most human characters in terms of raw speed and reflexes, and probably strength and durability, as well. Using the bomb against any youkai, however, would probably prove ineffective. Youkai are a whole different ballpark when it comes to killing them, and Killer Queen's first bomb, even if it is thorough enough to de-atomize its victim, won't permanently kill any youkai. Youkai also have speed/reflexes comparative to the humans who can fight, too. Sheer Heart Attack is impervious to physical attack, but that's not very noteworthy in a place where the martial arts alone (and not real combat) heavily involve shooting dozens of FTL spiritual projectiles at an opponent. If Sheer Heart Attack isn't immune to the most common method of fighting in Gensokyo, then that's going to be a problem. Bites the Dust might also suffer from the same problem that the first bomb has against youkai—it's not going to completely destroy them. Besides,  no one in Gensokyo would have any reason to learn Kira's identity, and if he was dropped into Gensokyo, he'd probably think of the one village full of normal humans as a sanctuary (since no one there would know about his past life). We've been ignoring the characters who have straight up hax abilities until now, too. Basically, IC Kira, if he found the Human Village and chose to live there without causing any trouble, could survive in a place like Gensokyo. If he fell back into being a serial killer and killed humans in the village, he'd have no chance of surviving the judgment coming his way from some of the characters. A bloodlusted Kira couldn't hope to take on any self-respecting character in the series due to his comparatively lower stats (speed, durability, etc.).


Fallen Human vs. Touhou: I've read up on plenty of stuff regarding pitting Undertale characters against anything else from another series, and there have been many mixed answers due to the very specific circumstances of Undertale's internal universe.  Undertale treats itself like a game, which is exactly the problem with it being pitted against other characters and universes. The game's metagaming of its own mechanics has been highballed into making characters like Omega Flowey and Chara into omniversal monstrosities, which is a rather ridiculous conclusion. Undertale, when taken out of its own element, is actually a comparatively weak universe. Nearly every monster dies easily to a human child who uses sticks and other such non-lethal items, showing that most monsters can hardly take any form of punishment (that's disregarding the genocide route, too). This leaves Undertale with maybe five or so characters who can actually do something (Frisk/Chara, Omega Flowey, Ascended Asriel, and Sans). The savescumming that Frisk does specifically ties into the game's mechanics—when Undertale stops being a self-manipulating game, it can't really stand on its own two feet, and that includes things like the savescumming and the highly ambiguous attack on the player's screen by Chara. 


A normal-route or genocide-route human character from Undertale is not going to have a snowball's chance in Tartarus against anyone in Touhou since the strongest weapon that Frisk/Chara has is a knife. A pacifist-route human, however, might be able to befriend some of the characters and live a nice existence in Gensokyo. Some youkai lurk outside the Human Village and wait for outsider humans to wander off from the village in order to kill them, so I'm not sure what Frisk might do to get out of becoming a snack for a youkai. Given her reputation of befriending almost anything, I'd probably give her the benefit of the doubt here. 


However, a pacifist-route Frisk kind of defeats the purpose of this, right?


Us vs. Touhou: Since we aren't fictional characters ourselves, this doesn't (and can't really) apply.
 
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That was a roast. Because... I'm saying you're fictional... 


I need friends.
 
personally, I don't see any fictional characters (other than those in dragon ball) as op. All of them have some kind of weakness, even if it isn't obvious. As such, none of them are truly op, as they can all be defeated.
 
Aya Takamitsu said:
personally, I don't see any fictional characters (other than those in dragon ball) as op. All of them have some kind of weakness, even if it isn't obvious. As such, none of them are truly op, as they can all be defeated.
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Dunno if anyone already mentioned him but I'm gonna say it regardless.


Whis. He knocked out Beerus with nothing but a simple blow to the neck.


We don't even know how strong he is since he was never shown fighting.


Also, am I the only one who hates it how pretty much any overpowered fictional character has a bad backstory (or none at all) as to how they became so powerful? Superman is a good example.
 
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The God-Emperor of Mankind from Warhammer 40,000

Appearance:

Lord_of_Mankind.jpg


Short Backstory: (Note: Not 100% accurate. It's hard to describe W40k history in a few paragraphs so don't kill me. I am aware I've made some mistakes/passed some important facts)
Back in the ancient times, long before the birth of Jesus Christ, there lived a group of human psykers (essentially mages but on steroids,) that manipulated the tides of the warp to their will. Upon death, these psykers known as The Shamans reincarnated into new bodies, gaining power with each such reincarnation. This had picked up the attention of the extraterrestrial spiritual beings known as Deamons from another realm known as the Immaterium. These warp-predators fed upon the souls of psykers like The Shamans after they died. Although most were capable of reincarnating before their souls were consumed, some were lost with each cycle.

The remaining Shamans researched the Immaterium and discovered 4 powerful entities, they appropriately named "Chaos Gods." Upon the mere sensation of their power, they understood that the Chaos Gods were nigh-omnipotent and would prove to be the biggest foe of humanity in the far future. Having no other choice, all of The Shamans gathered in one place and committed ritual suicide together. Their influx of souls fused into one, transcendent spiritual being that was then embedded into the womb of a pregnant woman. From this womb, a holy child, his name long-forgotten was born.
The nameless sage watched over humanity for countless thousands of years.

One day, when humanity was in the biggest need of him, The Emperor took form and manifested as a superhuman being, five meters tall and bound in bulky armor, The Emperor unified Terra (Earth) in the so-called Unification Wars, then went about conquering the galaxy. In a few thousand years, The Emperor and his sons/generals known as the Primarchs took over most of the galaxy. Problems arose when The Emperor's most trusted general; Horus turned against him and took half of the Imperium's forces against their very leader in a civil war, known as the Horus Heresy. This culminated a massive invasion of Earth. The Emperor discovered that Horus was corrupted by the Chaos Gods who deemed his existence a threat.

After a direct encounter with Horus, the loyalist forces were victorious, but the Emperor was mortally wounded. As his loyal children chased after the traitors, The Emperor was placed in a life-supporting machine known as the Golden Throne that maintained his psychic essence for a thousand souls of powerful psykers every day. The Emperor existed this way for over 10 thousand years until the 40th Millenium after Christ. Along the way, an Imperial cult was created against his ideology and the Emperor's name was changed to The God-Emperor, worshiped as a transcendent God above all else.

Notable Deeds:
  • Created a stellar empire that ruled over nearly all of the galaxy for an extended period of time.
  • Created genetically-enhanced metahumans called Primarchs from his own DNA, and chose ordinary humans, embedding them with geneseed enhancements that turned them into superhumans to serve under the Primarchs. These became known as the Space Marine Legions. A single Space Marine can easily wipe out bunkers of troops by himself. (Note: He designed the blueprints for all the technology and genetical enhancements by himself.)
  • Proved to be a challenge to the most powerful entities in the universe, despite (technically) being just a human with immense psykic potential.
  • The nation he created lasted for over 10,000 years after his "death" despite facing adversity that would rape Earth in a few minutes in the state it is right now. Although to be fair, most of his teachings and ideology he set the Imperium upon got lost on the way there.
  • Conqueror of trillions, if not stilliards of planets, a considerable percent of them he set foot upon himself and fought beside his servants.
  • The most powerful (human) psyker to ever live.
  • Almost created the Human Webway, had one of his sons; Magnus the Red not destroyed it on accident when sending him a telepathic message about Horus' betrayal. If the project was completed, humans could travel from one end of the galaxy to another safely and within very short time, compared to the crude, month-lasting and very dangerous methods the Imperium used and uses up to this day.
  • His very psykic essence lightens the Astronomican, which allows the abovementioned unsafe travel in the first place. Without it, ships would be irreversibly lost in the warp forever, for deamons and chaos space marines to fiddle around with. In other words, he controls all space travel in the galaxy 24/7 and has done so for the few last thousands of years.
  • Battles the Chaos Gods in the warp every day, and has been doing so for the last 10 thousand years with the sheer strength of his mind.
  • Maintains the Warphole on Terra shut with his mind. If he had not done so, the Warp would pour into real space like coca cola on a counter and consume a noteworthy part of the universe.
  • EVEN though he has to do all of the above 24/7 every day of every year and has done so for the past ten thousand years, he still finds himself enough power to turn some of his subordinates into mages and living saint/angel hybrids and give them faith-related superpowers etc, from time to time.
  • Performed mass genocide of multiple alien species with some success, however, it is noteworthy that 90% of all aliens in his universe are HUUUUGE dicks, so it was kind of justified.
  • All of the above was done out of altruism and benevolence, and the Inquisition totally isn't blackmailing me. But seriously, he's a good guy compared to all of the evil shit that you see in the Warhammer 40,000 universe.

Powers and Abilities:
  • Alpha+(+?) Psyker: The most powerful Psyker in the galaxy ever recorded in human archives. Some examples of his feats are below:
    • Stopped time for quite a long while, allowing only several chosen individuals to remain in motion. As in... stopped ALL time. Like, in the universe. He never used this again after, or before suggesting that it had a negative impact on his psyche and power.
    • Made 10,000 Space Marines (Read Notable Deeds) kneel before him, and their Primarch too. None of them could even THINK about resisting the urge to bend over and praise him. And he did it with a myriad thought.
    • Destroyed Imperator-Class Titans with little to no effort, with his mind. To draw an image. Imagine a huge, war-mech so tall and huge that it could trample tanks like ants. And yeah, he destroys these with ease.
    • Shapeshifting: He silently led humanity in the right direction over the ages. He was Moses, Jesus, many biblical Prophets or who they drew information from; multiple political leaders and others over history. He was also able to lead some of his sons astray by appearing to be a normal human, not a 5-meter tall manly-man in golden armor.
    • Supernatural Charisma: His mere presence made mortal men cry tears of literal joy and bow down before him in happiness and joy. People receiving a single compliment from him were motivated to serve him for the rest of their lives. His speeches motivated people for countless years and filled them with ardent determination and indomitable will. The only person said to make speeches more inspiring was Fulgrim, one of his numerous sons.
    • Others: Countless other psychic powers. The Emperor was a master of them all.
  • Perpetual (Unconfirmed, but heavily implied): To make it short and simple: Literally nothing can kill him. You can cut his body into 1x1mm squares and donate them as food rations on separate star systems all over the galaxy, but that's not stopping him. Tl;dr: death is a mere inconvenience and he will regain physicality eventually.
    • The only thing capable of putting him down for a prolonged while was his most experienced and most trusted son; Horus who was also at the time empowered by 4 Gods of Chaos and wielded completely new tier of technology. Did I mention that the Emperor had to fight his way through what would happen if a spaceship and literally hell itself had a baby just prior to this fight?
  • Far Above Genius Intellect: His list of inventions is so long I can't write it down here. He probably took on the form of multiple scientists over human history, and in his true form, he planned the Human Webway, Space Marine geneseed, The Primarch Project and countless other scientific inventions all by himself.
  • Leadership: Just read Notable Deeds and you'll understand.
  • Unmatched in Combat / Metahuman Condition: Even when his Psykic Powers were fruitless against Horus' armor and shields, a simple swipe of the sword held in the Emperor's hands caused the spaceship he was on to tilt and turn from the kinetic force it created. Did I mention that the spaceship was, in fact, the baby of a spaceship and literally hell itself? And it was kilometers in width, height, and length?
  • Entered the Black Library: The Emperor has peerless knowledge of the Warp, Immaterium and the very nature of all chaos and psykers in the galaxy due to his entry into the Black Library deep within the Webway corridors.
  • Changed Fate: The Cabal (no time to explain what they are) speculated that Horus would defeat the Emperor and bring peace to the galaxy. Keep in mind that most of the Cabal were hyper-intelligent aliens with psychic abilities, with the capacity to foresee the future. Well, technically speaking Horus defeated the Emperor, but then the Emperor defeated him and got placed on the Golden Throne. One could say it was a VERY pyrrhic victory for the Emperor, to the point it could be considered a nigh-stalemate.
  • As Old as Humanity and the Chaos Gods: Before you insult him for being a bad leader, keep in mind that he's older than all civilization and probably contributed to the creation of all systems of beliefs that you devote yourself to. In fact, it would not be going far to assume he started the bloodline you come from.
KEEP IN MIND EVERYTHING ABOVE IS A GENERALISTIC, CONCISED AND STRAIGHT-TO-THE-POINT DESCRIPTION THAT DOES NOT MANAGE TO CAPTURE EVEN 10% OF HOW OP HE IS.​
 
Birdsie said:
The God-Emperor of Mankind from Warhammer 40,000

Appearance:

Lord_of_Mankind.jpg


Short Backstory: (Note: Not 100% accurate. It's hard to describe W40k history in a few paragraphs so don't kill me. I am aware I've made some mistakes/passed some important facts)
Back in the ancient times, long before the birth of Jesus Christ, there lived a group of human psykers (essentially mages but on steroids,) that manipulated the tides of the warp to their will. Upon death, these psykers known as The Shamans reincarnated into new bodies, gaining power with each such reincarnation. This had picked up the attention of the extraterrestrial spiritual beings known as Deamons from another realm known as the Immaterium. These warp-predators fed upon the souls of psykers like The Shamans after they died. Although most were capable of reincarnating before their souls were consumed, some were lost with each cycle.

The remaining Shamans researched the Immaterium and discovered 4 powerful entities, they appropriately named "Chaos Gods." Upon the mere sensation of their power, they understood that the Chaos Gods were nigh-omnipotent and would prove to be the biggest foe of humanity in the far future. Having no other choice, all of The Shamans gathered in one place and committed ritual suicide together. Their influx of souls fused into one, transcendent spiritual being that was then embedded into the womb of a pregnant woman. From this womb, a holy child, his name long-forgotten was born.
The nameless sage watched over humanity for countless thousands of years.

One day, when humanity was in the biggest need of him, The Emperor took form and manifested as a superhuman being, five meters tall and bound in bulky armor, The Emperor unified Terra (Earth) in the so-called Unification Wars, then went about conquering the galaxy. In a few thousand years, The Emperor and his sons/generals known as the Primarchs took over most of the galaxy. Problems arose when The Emperor's most trusted general; Horus turned against him and took half of the Imperium's forces against their very leader in a civil war, known as the Horus Heresy. This culminated a massive invasion of Earth. The Emperor discovered that Horus was corrupted by the Chaos Gods who deemed his existence a threat.

After a direct encounter with Horus, the loyalist forces were victorious, but the Emperor was mortally wounded. As his loyal children chased after the traitors, The Emperor was placed in a life-supporting machine known as the Golden Throne that maintained his psychic essence for a thousand souls of powerful psykers every day. The Emperor existed this way for over 10 thousand years until the 40th Millenium after Christ. Along the way, an Imperial cult was created against his ideology and the Emperor's name was changed to The God-Emperor, worshiped as a transcendent God above all else.

Notable Deeds:
  • Created a stellar empire that ruled over nearly all of the galaxy for an extended period of time.
  • Created genetically-enhanced metahumans called Primarchs from his own DNA, and chose ordinary humans, embedding them with geneseed enhancements that turned them into superhumans to serve under the Primarchs. These became known as the Space Marine Legions. A single Space Marine can easily wipe out bunkers of troops by himself. (Note: He designed the blueprints for all the technology and genetical enhancements by himself.)
  • Proved to be a challenge to the most powerful entities in the universe, despite (technically) being just a human with immense psykic potential.
  • The nation he created lasted for over 10,000 years after his "death" despite facing adversity that would rape Earth in a few minutes in the state it is right now. Although to be fair, most of his teachings and ideology he set the Imperium upon got lost on the way there.
  • Conqueror of trillions, if not stilliards of planets, a considerable percent of them he set foot upon himself and fought beside his servants.
  • The most powerful (human) psyker to ever live.
  • Almost created the Human Webway, had one of his sons; Magnus the Red not destroyed it on accident when sending him a telepathic message about Horus' betrayal. If the project was completed, humans could travel from one end of the galaxy to another safely and within very short time, compared to the crude, month-lasting and very dangerous methods the Imperium used and uses up to this day.
  • His very psykic essence lightens the Astronomican, which allows the abovementioned unsafe travel in the first place. Without it, ships would be irreversibly lost in the warp forever, for deamons and chaos space marines to fiddle around with. In other words, he controls all space travel in the galaxy 24/7 and has done so for the few last thousands of years.
  • Battles the Chaos Gods in the warp every day, and has been doing so for the last 10 thousand years with the sheer strength of his mind.
  • Maintains the Warphole on Terra shut with his mind. If he had not done so, the Warp would pour into real space like coca cola on a counter and consume a noteworthy part of the universe.
  • EVEN though he has to do all of the above 24/7 every day of every year and has done so for the past ten thousand years, he still finds himself enough power to turn some of his subordinates into mages and living saint/angel hybrids and give them faith-related superpowers etc, from time to time.
  • Performed mass genocide of multiple alien species with some success, however, it is noteworthy that 90% of all aliens in his universe are HUUUUGE dicks, so it was kind of justified.
  • All of the above was done out of altruism and benevolence, and the Inquisition totally isn't blackmailing me. But seriously, he's a good guy compared to all of the evil shit that you see in the Warhammer 40,000 universe.

Powers and Abilities:
  • Alpha+(+?) Psyker: The most powerful Psyker in the galaxy ever recorded in human archives. Some examples of his feats are below:
    • Stopped time for quite a long while, allowing only several chosen individuals to remain in motion. As in... stopped ALL time. Like, in the universe. He never used this again after, or before suggesting that it had a negative impact on his psyche and power.
    • Made 10,000 Space Marines (Read Notable Deeds) kneel before him, and their Primarch too. None of them could even THINK about resisting the urge to bend over and praise him. And he did it with a myriad thought.
    • Destroyed Imperator-Class Titans with little to no effort, with his mind. To draw an image. Imagine a huge, war-mech so tall and huge that it could trample tanks like ants. And yeah, he destroys these with ease.
    • Shapeshifting: He silently led humanity in the right direction over the ages. He was Moses, Jesus, many biblical Prophets or who they drew information from; multiple political leaders and others over history. He was also able to lead some of his sons astray by appearing to be a normal human, not a 5-meter tall manly-man in golden armor.
    • Supernatural Charisma: His mere presence made mortal men cry tears of literal joy and bow down before him in happiness and joy. People receiving a single compliment from him were motivated to serve him for the rest of their lives. His speeches motivated people for countless years and filled them with ardent determination and indomitable will. The only person said to make speeches more inspiring was Fulgrim, one of his numerous sons.
    • Others: Countless other psychic powers. The Emperor was a master of them all.
  • Perpetual (Unconfirmed, but heavily implied): To make it short and simple: Literally nothing can kill him. You can cut his body into 1x1mm squares and donate them as food rations on separate star systems all over the galaxy, but that's not stopping him. Tl;dr: death is a mere inconvenience and he will regain physicality eventually.
    • The only thing capable of putting him down for a prolonged while was his most experienced and most trusted son; Horus who was also at the time empowered by 4 Gods of Chaos and wielded completely new tier of technology. Did I mention that the Emperor had to fight his way through what would happen if a spaceship and literally hell itself had a baby just prior to this fight?
  • Far Above Genius Intellect: His list of inventions is so long I can't write it down here. He probably took on the form of multiple scientists over human history, and in his true form, he planned the Human Webway, Space Marine geneseed, The Primarch Project and countless other scientific inventions all by himself.
  • Leadership: Just read Notable Deeds and you'll understand.
  • Unmatched in Combat / Metahuman Condition: Even when his Psykic Powers were fruitless against Horus' armor and shields, a simple swipe of the sword held in the Emperor's hands caused the spaceship he was on to tilt and turn from the kinetic force it created. Did I mention that the spaceship was, in fact, the baby of a spaceship and literally hell itself? And it was kilometers in width, height, and length?
  • Entered the Black Library: The Emperor has peerless knowledge of the Warp, Immaterium and the very nature of all chaos and psykers in the galaxy due to his entry into the Black Library deep within the Webway corridors.
  • Changed Fate: The Cabal (no time to explain what they are) speculated that Horus would defeat the Emperor and bring peace to the galaxy. Keep in mind that most of the Cabal were hyper-intelligent aliens with psychic abilities, with the capacity to foresee the future. Well, technically speaking Horus defeated the Emperor, but then the Emperor defeated him and got placed on the Golden Throne. One could say it was a VERY pyrrhic victory for the Emperor, to the point it could be considered a nigh-stalemate.
  • As Old as Humanity and the Chaos Gods: Before you insult him for being a bad leader, keep in mind that he's older than all civilization and probably contributed to the creation of all systems of beliefs that you devote yourself to. In fact, it would not be going far to assume he started the bloodline you come from.
KEEP IN MIND EVERYTHING ABOVE IS A GENERALISTIC, CONCISED AND STRAIGHT-TO-THE-POINT DESCRIPTION THAT DOES NOT MANAGE TO CAPTURE EVEN 10% OF HOW OP HE IS.​
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Dang, pretty sacrilegious with some of that stuff in the backstory.

I'm too lazed to do research into 40k right now, haha.
 
Captain Gensokyo said:
Dang, pretty sacrilegious with some of that stuff in the backstory.

I'm too lazed to do research into 40k right now, haha.
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I'm just writing a very short version that generalizes. Not everything in backstory is ultra-100% accurate, but the core message and generalized meaning are all there.

Feel you. 40k has some of the most expansive, hard to comprehend and advanced fluff I've seen.

The God-Emperor in his setting could only be bested by a direct meeting with the Chaos Gods, and perhaps the Old Ones.

Also, some additional material you might be interested in:
 
Birdsie said:
I'm just writing a very short version that generalizes. Not everything in backstory is ultra-100% accurate, but the core message and generalized meaning are all there.

Feel you. 40k has some of the most expansive, hard to comprehend and advanced fluff I've seen.

The God-Emperor in his setting could only be bested by a direct meeting with the Chaos Gods, and perhaps the Old Ones.

Also, some additional material you might be interested in:
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Based on what's in that respect post, it seems like the way many characters in 40k defeat each other is by who has the best technology (hardest-hitting weapons/closest to invincible armor). I'd say he would be a challenge for, say, Raiden at his peak in Metal Gear Rising (suplexed and swung around hundreds-of-tons heavy giant mechs, can demolecularize virtually any armor and neutralize healing factors with his Muramasa blade, runs at faster-than-bullet speeds and reacts even faster, shrugged off a fall at terminal velocity, survived a beatdown from a man who blew up a thousands-of-tons heavy Metal Gear unarmed, etc.)
 
Captain Gensokyo said:
Based on what's in that respect post, it seems like the way many characters in 40k defeat each other is by who has the best technology (hardest-hitting weapons/closest to invincible armor). I'd say he would be a challenge for, say, Raiden at his peak in Metal Gear Rising (suplexed and swung around hundreds-of-tons heavy giant mechs, can demolecularize virtually any armor and neutralize healing factors with his Muramasa blade, runs at faster-than-bullet speeds and reacts even faster, shrugged off a fall at terminal velocity, survived a beatdown from a man who blew up a thousands-of-tons heavy Metal Gear unarmed, etc.)
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Oh, I know what Raiden is capable of ^^ I'm into the Metal Gear series too.

But that's a severe underestimation of what the Emperor could do. It is true that for most soldiers in 40k, the real challenge is beating opponents with superior weapons. But, for an example; The Chaos Space Marines have outdated technology from the days of the Horus Heresy (Basically, they are literally ten thousand years behind in terms of weapons, armor, vehicles and space cruisers,) however an average Chaos Space Marine is deemed stronger than an average ordinary Space Marine, because unlike ordinary Space Marines they get all the perks of following Chaos Gods; a a mark of chaos that grants them superpowers (Piercing supersonic screams for followers of Slaanesh, regeneration and nigh-invulnerability for followers of Nurgle, superhuman strength and speed (even by Space Marine standards) for followers of Khorne and strong psykic abilities and increased intellect for followers of Tzeentch) not to mention the natural longevity (A Chaos Space Marine can survive over 10 thousand years, whereas the oldest ORDINARY Space Marine in the galaxy is a little over a thousand years old.)

Not to mention, Chaos Space Marines sometimes receive gifts from their gods, like deamonic weapons, mutations to their bodies (third eye with better aim, a new set of ribs, an extra arm that shoots fire, the ability to never get tired, growing in size, and countless others.) That's why Chaos Space Marines, despite being literal thousands of years back in terms of tech are more than a huge challenge to normal Space Marines.

Actually, the reason Horus beat the Emperor was because his armor was blessed by all four chaos gods, granting it like 99% immunity to the Emperor's Psykic Powers. The other reason the Emperor didn't kill Horus right away was because he thought he could still save his son and redeem him from "the dark side," otherwise even despite being empowered by four chaos gods, the Emperor could just telekinetically throw Horus out of a window to let him suffocate in space. In fact, the Emperor upon seeing sense was capable of destroying the very fabric of Horus' soul using a bolt of eldritch energies to ensure he'd never return. This was possible because before the Emperor fought Horus, Sanguinius (one of the Emperor's loyal sons) fought Horus first and left a crack in his armor before being killed. This pretty much ensured a long-lasting victory for the Emperor (mind you, a victory was assured already, but it wouldn't have been so long-lasting without that damn crack.)

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Raiden might be fast and cut through dimensions with his ninja sword that creates vibrations, but the Emperor could just snap his neck with a thought in the matter of one second, because Raiden has 0 psykic protection that Horus had.
 
Birdsie said:
Oh, I know what Raiden is capable of ^^ I'm into the Metal Gear series too.

But that's a severe underestimation of what the Emperor could do. It is true that for most soldiers in 40k, the real challenge is beating opponents with superior weapons. But, for an example; The Chaos Space Marines have outdated technology from the days of the Horus Heresy (Basically, they are literally ten thousand years behind in terms of weapons, armor, vehicles and space cruisers,) however an average Chaos Space Marine is deemed stronger than an average ordinary Space Marine, because unlike ordinary Space Marines they get all the perks of following Chaos Gods; a a mark of chaos that grants them superpowers (Piercing supersonic screams for followers of Slaanesh, regeneration and nigh-invulnerability for followers of Nurgle, superhuman strength and speed (even by Space Marine standards) for followers of Khorne and strong psykic abilities and increased intellect for followers of Tzeentch) not to mention the natural longevity (A Chaos Space Marine can survive over 10 thousand years, whereas the oldest ORDINARY Space Marine in the galaxy is a little over a thousand years old.)

Not to mention, Chaos Space Marines sometimes receive gifts from their gods, like deamonic weapons, mutations to their bodies (third eye with better aim, a new set of ribs, an extra arm that shoots fire, the ability to never get tired, growing in size, and countless others.) That's why Chaos Space Marines, despite being literal thousands of years back in terms of tech are more than a huge challenge to normal Space Marines.

Actually, the reason Horus beat the Emperor was because his armor was blessed by all four chaos gods, granting it like 99% immunity to the Emperor's Psykic Powers. The other reason the Emperor didn't kill Horus right away was because he thought he could still save his son and redeem him from "the dark side," otherwise even despite being empowered by four chaos gods, the Emperor could just telekinetically throw Horus out of a window to let him suffocate in space. In fact, the Emperor upon seeing sense was capable of destroying the very fabric of Horus' soul using a bolt of eldritch energies to ensure he'd never return. This was possible because before the Emperor fought Horus, Sanguinius (one of the Emperor's loyal sons) fought Horus first and left a crack in his armor before being killed. This pretty much ensured a long-lasting victory for the Emperor (mind you, a victory was assured already, but it wouldn't have been so long-lasting without that damn crack.)

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Raiden might be fast and cut through dimensions with his ninja sword that creates vibrations, but the Emperor could just snap his neck with a thought in the matter of one second, because Raiden has 0 psykic protection that Horus had.
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Alright, if that's the case, then he seems like he's a little bit below some of the most OP characters from the stronger universes mentioned before (Dragon Ball, DC, Marvel, Touhou, etc.) since he's still killable to some degree. Could he defeat a high mid-tier Z Fighter? I know next-to-nothing about Dragon Ball, so bare with me.
 
Captain Gensokyo said:
Alright, if that's the case, then he seems like he's a little bit below some of the most OP characters from the stronger universes mentioned before (Dragon Ball, DC, Marvel, Touhou, etc.) since he's still killable to some degree. Could he defeat a high mid-tier Z Fighter? I know next-to-nothing about Dragon Ball, so bare with me.
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I honestly doubt it.

The Emperor's the type of person to take his sword and slay mooks with a sword just to look cool, and he reserves the strong psykic powers for opponents that require them. He could without a doubt beat Superman with very minuscule to no effort. Against Goku, The Emperor would definitely be capable of holding his ground but I'm not 100% sure whether he'd win or lose. That's mostly a thing for opinion.

One thing I can tell you for certain is that if a person has no defense against psychic/magical attacks, etc, they are as good as dead against the Emperor. And even if they do have such defense, it better be the best damn psychic defense in their universe or they are guaranteed to lose.

In terms of physical combat, the Emperor's sword merely clashing with Horus' mace created earthquakes and turned the ship they were on. A notable aspect is that said ship was kilometers big in every direction. He can resist the most powerful grenades, missiles and melta-explosives like they are bug bites and if you're just a human with a gun running against him, you will be about as effective as an atom of oxygen against him. Oh, and magic won't work either, as he can just dispel it with the strength of his mind.

How strong is said magic resistance, you ask? Well, he kept 4 Gods of Chaos at bay for over 10,000 years. Bear in mind they have full intention of destroying him, and that each, SINGLE of said Chaos Gods could destroy a large star system by looking at it and deciding they don't want to see it anymore. The only reason they don't is because they eat raw emotions, and emotions only exist if there's humans to feel them. And humans need planets to exist, and planets exist in star systems.
 
Birdsie said:
I honestly doubt it.

The Emperor's the type of person to take his sword and slay mooks with a sword just to look cool, and he reserves the strong psykic powers for opponents that require them. He could without a doubt beat Superman with very minuscule to no effort. Against Goku, The Emperor would definitely be capable of holding his ground but I'm not 100% sure whether he'd win or lose. That's mostly a thing for opinion.

One thing I can tell you for certain is that if a person has no defense against psychic/magical attacks, etc, they are as good as dead against the Emperor. And even if they do have such defense, it better be the best damn psychic defense in their universe or they are guaranteed to lose.

In terms of physical combat, the Emperor's sword merely clashing with Horus' mace created earthquakes and turned the ship they were on. A notable aspect is that said ship was kilometers big in every direction. He can resist the most powerful grenades, missiles and melta-explosives like they are bug bites and if you're just a human with a gun running against him, you will be about as effective as an atom of oxygen against him. Oh, and magic won't work either, as he can just dispel it with the strength of his mind.

How strong is said magic resistance, you ask? Well, he kept 4 Gods of Chaos at bay for over 10,000 years. Bear in mind they have full intention of destroying him, and that each, SINGLE of said Chaos Gods could destroy a large star system by looking at it and deciding they don't want to see it anymore. The only reason they don't is because they eat raw emotions, and emotions only exist if there's humans to feel them. And humans need planets to exist, and planets exist in star systems.
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Ah, I see. The only way to defeat him is to have very strong resistance to his magic as well as be at least as strong as him and/or have straight-up hax abilities.
 
Captain Gensokyo said:
Ah, I see. The only way to defeat him is to have very strong resistance to his magic as well as be at least as strong as him and/or have straight-up hax abilities.
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Correct.

Keep in mind that even though you can force him into a stalemate, killing him is nearly impossible, as he is a perpetual. Although it has not been explicitly stated, Big E fills out all of the checkboxes for being one of the rare beings known as perpetuals in 40k. This means that even if you beat him, hack his body into small, dried bits, cook them into charcoal, expose them to extreme radiation and then feed them to a tiger, the Emperor's physical form will be returned to him either way. His body is literally as immortal as his soul.

To better illustrate my point; imagine Deadpool's healing factor on the most extreme, ultimate steroid. There is no way to destroy his body, no matter how much effort you put into it. (Thus the name "perpetuals," because they exist perpetually.)

One could argue that his soul can be destroyed which is theoretically true, but so far the 4 Gods of Chaos managed to do nothing despite constant 24/7 attacks for the last 10k years.
And also: Even IF you did that, his soul is just thousands of humanity's psykers' souls glued together with superglue and duct tape. If you cut them apart, all that has to be done is for them to reincarnate, find each other, perform ritual sacrifice again, glue their souls together again aaaaand BAM, a new Emperor.
 
Umm... Since when did Superman become weaker than Goku Birdsie Birdsie ?

Superman's feats were way bigger and more noteworthy when compared to Goku's feats, and let's not mention that even the DC comics state that his power is limitless.
 
Kirby.

He can be anyone of the characters you mentioned and even mix them together.

With the fighter ability, which is very common, he can crack an entire planet.

Done.
 
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