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Lets just try to move away from an irrelevant conversation.
That's what I was doing?
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Lets just try to move away from an irrelevant conversation.
What site are we going to bus people in from to get representation?
Here's real talk though. You guys can talk about how there aren't enough people of color in these various roleplays, but it's not like it's something you could control. It's like complaining that the sun is too bright. And if you could control it, people would be pissed at you because a quota of black people for something set on the Eastern Front of WWII or other settings that just don't have any room for non-European characters would not make much sense. So, in real terms, what was the point of talking about this? It certainly hasn't made me want to play a minority character given the immense attention people seem to pay to these kinds of issues.
Don't play different kinds of characters then simple. In the end everyone is going to play what they want to play. I think the original poster, I guess, wanted to see if there are other characters people like to play other than one particular race. Seems that question in itself brought out all sorts of stuff when really it was just a simple question. Again, play whatever you want no one said you couldn't just like no one said people are not allowed to give their answers on this topic. If that bothers you just ignore it.Here's real talk though. You guys can talk about how there aren't enough people of color in these various roleplays, but it's not like it's something you could control. It's like complaining that the sun is too bright. And if you could control it, people would be pissed at you because a quota of black people for something set on the Eastern Front of WWII or other settings that just don't have any room for non-European characters would not make much sense. So, in real terms, what was the point of talking about this? It certainly hasn't made me want to play a minority character given the immense attention people seem to pay to these kinds of issues.
Alright then, do allow me to break this down into parts, starting by taking what you said at face value: The problem is the default notion fo characters being white and that variations are exotic ad ons.And I think your misunderstanding the issue. It isn’t X number of people must be X color.
It is a matter of breaking this idea that white and straight is the default and all variations are exotic add ons that must be justified.
Imagine not having to worry about race/ethnicity/nationality, identity, and cultural perception on the daily? What is that like? What is it like to not spend thousands of dollars on a lawyer just for the slim chance that you might be able to stay in a country that doesn’t want you and avoid a country where you might literally die? What is it like to see yourself represented in 90% of stories? What is it like to afford not caring about history, sociology, and politics? What is it like to not be afraid every single day of your life?
Must be nice.
Think of it this way. What if the default character was a black lesbian. Every movie, TV show, book, play, etc. revolved around the black lesbian perspective. A majority of content focused specifically on the black lesbian perspective and every thing that deviated from it was compared to that central perspective.
Like oh well they’re making a gay movie now so I guess the gay men can stop whining about never getting their own movie.
And their making a white lesbian movie so those white women can stop bitching about their own movie.
But those deviations are the exception not the rule. And the further away from that default perspective the more scrutinized a piece of medium gets.
So when you get to white straight male it’s always seen as this token character. Like people only play straight white males when they want brownie points or to be PC.
And if you ARE a straight white male well tough titties on you. You gotta learn to find stories you like that focus on black lesbians maybe black gay men if your lucky.
But forget about seeing white men, their strictly comic relief/sidekicks or racial stereotypes. And you want a STRAIGHT white man? Wow be prepared to have to justify that a lot Mr.
Because everyone knows stories about straight white men don’t sell. Not unless there is a black lesbian around to save the day or lure the audience in.
So yeah imagine how it would feel if that was the world you lived in. You would want to see a little more people like yourself* and you would be sick to death of people saying that wanting that was just PC complaining.
Because you aren’t saying there can be no black lesbian characters. Or that white male characters HAVE to be in shows because it’s not fair otherwise.
Your just saying hey white straight men exist and it would be nice if they showed up stories a little more with out all this resentment from the black communities (gay and lesbians) about how their being bullied into giving everyone a fair shake.
I wasn't able to quickly find any statistics on this matter, though judging by the fact that the majority of the population is female and that many of the causes used to justify this are based on American and European countries (AKA countries with a white majority) I would postulate that white women are actually a majority over white men.Even today, I think the highest proportion of people in America are straight white males, followed by the same in women. I could be wrong, but I think this amounts to ~70% of the overall population, with ~8% of this demographic not being straight.
You're misunderstanding me. What I am saying is not that you want to shove stuff down your throats. Breaking it down into main points:So I think @Idea you are looking at this in much the same way as @Dark lord steel in that it is some kind of grand conspiracy to force diversity down people's throat. And if that is all you got from the discussion in this thread than there is no further point in us discussing matters. Because at this point we're arguing in two different languages and there is no point in frustrating us both.
It’s kind of mind boggling to me that, even in RPs, white characters are the majority. Does this mean that most roleplayers are white, or most characters are white?
Do you write characters of races/ethnicities/nationalities that aren’t your own? Why or why not?
You’re a BEAST, thank you so much for being on this thread. That’s so simple and yet such a novel idea for those empathy-lacking individuals that insist their experiences are universal.If a concept comes up that isn't one you are familiar with or affects you rather than assuming it isn't real why not engage with the people having a conversation about it.
You’re a BEAST, thank you so much for being on this thread. That’s so simple and yet such a novel idea for those empathy-lacking individuals that insist their experiences are universal.
There are only two situations where I will, usually, say something isn't real:affects you rather than assuming it isn't real why not engage with the people having a conversation about it
I adressed this matter by explaining this isn't quite the case due to the majority of characters not having an ethnicity and those that do often being korean or japanese, and otherwise "diverse", due to the people who care about diversity typicaly being the only ones even making ethnicities.Does this mean that most roleplayers are white, or most characters are white?
For this one I explained why I don't usually care whether I do or do not in this matter, and that yes I have written characters of other ethnicities.Do you write characters of races/ethnicities/nationalities that aren’t your own? Why or why not?
WHat about how the majority feels and lives matter as well. It's obvious that minority lives aren't the only ones that matter because everyone has their own perspectives and views and experiences for their representationAnd my point was this topic is about minorities discussing their feelings of representation. None of which you engaged in. You simply argued against it using your own experience. Which might technically follow the letter of the thread but not the spirit. And that was what I was calling on you to do.
Don't just address the surface level questions. Actually look the content of what other people are trying to say and talk to that.
We aren't trying to change your mind we're trying to have our feelings and perspectives validated. Because so often they're ignored because they don't suit someone else's narrative.
What am I supposed to do then? Are you saying I am not allowed to post here just because my own experience is not one that aligns with these other experiences?And my point was this topic is about minorities discussing their feelings of representation. None of which you engaged in. You simply argued against it using your own experience. Which might technically follow the letter of the thread but not the spirit. And that was what I was calling on you to do.
Don't just address the surface level questions. Actually look the content of what other people are trying to say and talk to that.
And my point was this topic is about minorities discussing their feelings of representation. None of which you engaged in.
I gave my take on minority underpresentation, the broader topic of the thread.
Ooohhh, you’re one of the people who likes to combat Black Lives Matter with All Lives Matter.WHat about how the majority feels and lives matter as well. It's obvious that minority lives aren't the only ones that matter because everyone has their own perspectives and views and experiences for their representation
Don't just address minorities to see how they may feel in a situation as a majority life matter just as equally as a minority would.
Sorry, but for centuries the majority has mattered more?Ooohhh, you’re one of the people who likes to combat Black Lives Matter with All Lives Matter.
Here’s the thing: the majority already gets their problems talked about. And, more importantly, they get their problems solved.
We’re not saying minorities matter more. We’re saying that, for centuries, the majority has mattered more. We’re trying to level the playing field.
If my family is sat at a dinner table and I didn’t get any food, I will ask for food. But then you say, “We’re ALL hungry, you think YOU’RE the only one who’s hungry? Our hunger matters just as much as yours”
I’m not saying I’m more hungry than you are or that my hunger matters more. The difference is that you got food and I didn’t and that’s what attention needs to be called to.
1: I never said anything about combating BLM with all lives matterOoohhh, you’re one of the people who likes to combat Black Lives Matter with All Lives Matter.
Here’s the thing: the majority already gets their problems talked about. And, more importantly, they get their problems solved.
We’re not saying minorities matter more. We’re saying that, for centuries, the majority has mattered more. We’re trying to level the playing field.
If my family is sat at a dinner table and I didn’t get any food, I will ask for food. But then you say, “We’re ALL hungry, you think YOU’RE the only one who’s hungry? Our hunger matters just as much as yours”
I’m not saying I’m more hungry than you are or that my hunger matters more. The difference is that you got food and I didn’t and that’s what attention needs to be called to.