Fantasy Mess Hall (OOC)

[Kylesar1]

this roleplaying is great! maybe its USO time? lol!

unidentified submerged objects

Oh there's been a few of those already lol, but feel free to create more if you'd like

 

[cheeseburger90210]

lol * hugs

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

live nancy reaction

 

[Kylesar1]

WayfaringWaaksian
It's why Jack walked the hell away after saying his peace. Man's too old for this shit.

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1

Sorry for being dumb earlier, I'm having a real hard time understanding people today, lmao.

Anyways, in regards to the eventual timeskip: Fergie will get to Triton's Tridents this evening... eventually. First I want to arrange a brief interaction between her and Nancy-- to kick off part of the plot-- and the best way I see it happening is if Nancy shoos Ves away so he can talk with Steven there alone. I imagine Steven will get pretty intense regardless of what Nancy says, and since Fergie is making way to the Commerce District anyway, she'll hear that shit and try to shut it down. I image Steven pisses her off in general because she hates religious bullshittery (her words, not mine).

It doesn't have to happen that way, but that's an easy option assuming Steven reacts the way I expect and Ves actually allows Nancy to talk alone. I just gotta have the two meet in some way that doesn't feel too contrived, and preferably before the timeskip.

 

[Kylesar1]

You're good. No problem on my end

That works, though due to Jack's words, Steven is gonna back down a bit. Not like he'll just relent, but he's not gonna ream Nancy to hell and back. It isn't worth pissing off Jack. His words were effective to both Ves and Steven

Ves can't be around though, so I can have her go off with Demi, since she's about to attempt meeting up with them
WayfaringWaaksian

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1

Good, because if Fergie heard someone verbally beating the shit out of someone who looks on the verge of tears, they're getting a hearty smack to the back of the head. She's a mean bitch, but she's got her limits. Like Sebas, emotional abuse pisses her off more than physical.
... Just a warning for the future, lol.
Speaking of emotional abuse, I am interested in a continuation of her and Duradel's stint. I have some ideas.

Anyways, nice. Nancy will leave some encouraging words for Ves and pray (in vain) that he doesn't have another panic attack in front of Steven.

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Oh shit, I just realized that we passed the 4 year mark. How in the world did we manage to keep this going for so long, I've never been in a RP that consistently kept on as long as this

 

[Kylesar1]

Oh shit, I just realized that we passed the 4 year mark. How in the world did we manage to keep this going for so long, I've never been in a RP that consistently kept on as long as this

That's how I do it. I like long term. I had one last 3 years right before this one. Novels aren't written in a day. That, and we have lives outside of this lmao. I got document's worth of lore to potentially add in. I just have to make sure I don't fuck up the LORE already established

For example. I have a being called Karma. Intersex, split into 3 part. Male, Female, Ungendered. I'll get a LORE story, but the male and female split apart. Born with both parts, but split. Male became Amark and the female, Krama (Holy and Daedric respectively). The overall? Karma, the Collector (Neutral, higher power than the others, controls them). Ungendered, just justice. Instant Karma, long term karma. When Karma comes to collect, they COLLECT.

Maybe Coprini has a problem with Karma allowing instant injustice to Nancy, but she has to take it up with the duo before she meets the Collector (specifically the Daedric bad karma). The male and female are the same level. The Ungendered is the higher level who simply collects, which is implements the BS. That gives rise to "No good deed goes unpunished" and "Karma comes to collect." and "Silver lining in every grey cloud." Maybe Coprini or Zeltzan can reverse Nancy's fate when they have to get the truly neutral party involved

That is, of course, just a concept

Still. Overall from the bottom of my heart, I appreciate you sticking with it this long. Damn good player, who makes damn good post, contributes to the LORE as well. A player who doesn't fuck up the LORE is pretty rare, given the nature of creative difference. You've upheld it and I would like to think that I've given you that creative space within those bounds to do what you want within the world

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

That's how I do it. I like long term. I had one last 3 years right before this one. Novels aren't written in a day. That, and we have lives outside of this lmao. I got document's worth of lore to potentially add in. I just have to make sure I don't fuck up the LORE already established

I do like long-form. I suppose I technically have RPs that have lasted very long-- over 10 years for some-- but those are more like RP concepts that me and my friends keep revisiting every once in a while. Before this I haven't had one that has consistently gone on without pause, save for the occasional week or month-long blip.

For example. I have a being called Karma. Intersex, split into 3 part. Male, Female, Ungendered. I'll get a LORE story, but the male and female split apart. Born with both parts, but split. Male became Amark and the female, Krama (Holy and Daedric respectively). The overall? Karma, the Collector (Neutral, higher power than the others, controls them). Ungendered, just justice. Instant Karma, long term karma. When Karma comes to collect, they COLLECT.

Maybe Coprini has a problem with Karma allowing instant injustice to Nancy, but she has to take it up with the duo before she meets the Collector (specifically the Daedric bad karma). The male and female are the same level. The Ungendered is the higher level who simply collects, which is implements the BS. That gives rise to "No good deed goes unpunished" and "Karma comes to collect." and "Silver lining in every grey cloud." Maybe Coprini or Zeltzan can reverse Nancy's fate when they have to get the truly neutral party involved

That is, of course, just a concept

Hm! I like where this is going. I have some thoughts turning over in my head about it. My main question though is if what happened to Nancy is a particularly unusual case. I can't imagine it's unheard of for someone to get fucked over by the system like Nancy did, but it doesn't seem common based off the way you talked about it and how characters IC reacted. Basically, is it a matter worth bringing up with Karma themself? Because A LOT of injustices happen in this messed-up little world, and I wonder what crosses the line as an injustice extreme enough. They seem busy beheading foolish kings who cause Blight epidemics.

Maybe so, or maybe Coprini has an in with them. A favor earned, or some such.

Still. Overall from the bottom of my heart, I appreciate you sticking with it this long. Damn good player, who makes damn good post, contributes to the LORE as well. A player who doesn't fuck up the LORE is pretty rare, given the nature of creative difference. You've upheld it and I would like to think that I've given you that creative space within those bounds to do what you want within the world

This is so incredibly sweet and made my entire day
I worry a lot about my output! Because I worry about everything, but that's neither here nor there. I'm happy to know that I'm good at what I'm doing here, lmao.
And yes, I've never felt my creativity has been stunted here. It honestly helps to have preexisting world rules to follow so I don't get lost in the possibilities.

Honestly, only thing I wished for is that we talked more often. I know you like to keep a professional distance from other players (wise, I've been in plenty of RPs that fell apart because of friend fallouts), and you probably have a way more busier life than me. I just like hearing your insights and I like your vibe. And you've been very kind about sensitive topics I've brought up, which goes a long way for me!

 

[Kylesar1]

Hm! I like where this is going. I have some thoughts turning over in my head about it. My main question though is if what happened to Nancy is a particularly unusual case. I can't imagine it's unheard of for someone to get fucked over by the system like Nancy did, but it doesn't seem common based off the way you talked about it and how characters IC reacted. Basically, is it a matter worth bringing up with Karma themself? Because A LOT of injustices happen in this messed-up little world, and I wonder what crosses the line as an injustice extreme enough. They seem busy beheading foolish kings who cause Blight epidemics.

Maybe so, or maybe Coprini has an in with them. A favor earned, or some such.

It goes with the 8th Amendment: Cruel and Unusual punishment

You don't need to be a lawyer to see that what happened with Nancy was overboard. There's no solid line for what qualifies as overboard so it's voted on by the Council if it becomes contentious. If Mariana was overcompensating, giving him a harsher punishment to save face in the eyes of the Daedric Council, that's bad karma. She didn't punish him because it's what he deserved. She punished him more than he deserved, and knowingly so for her own sake. Krama (the female, Daedric) calls that her domain (aka bad karma). Krama calls to the Collector, and the Collector does their duty to implement the misfortune (Diederick). It makes perfect sense. Karma originated the [Ordination of Misfortune]

Coprini calls on a favor from Krama to force Karma to collect, and bring about additional misfortune to Mariana

This would, of course, influence the development of Orivae, potentially hurting Nellie, but it can serve as a subtle influence to the outcome. For the sake of ease, I'd reference who is who instead of saying Krama and Karma or Amark and expecting your brain's auto-correct to kick in. It would be along the lines of Krama: Holy God of Good Karma

Honestly, only thing I wished for is that we talked more often. I know you like to keep a professional distance from other players (wise, I've been in plenty of RPs that fell apart because of friend fallouts), and you probably have a way more busier life than me. I just like hearing your insights and I like your vibe. And you've been very kind about sensitive topics I've brought up, which goes a long way for me!

I'm down to talk a bit deeper. I just do the professional distance for most players since we're here for a purpose. I NEVER want this to feel like a chore. After this long, it would be silly to act like there's nothing to me knowing how you write, or at least your mindset. Yeah, I'm busy but after 4 years? I think I'm willing to hear you out. If you got a problem, bring it up. Personaly or otherwise

We're kind of beyond the professional stuff, but I maintain it unless the player has something more personal to bring up. I just let it be known that I'm not a therapist. I can only give my POV to whatever.

That's best done by professionals. I don't want to influence someone's life decisions. Let me know though. I do have a care beyond your posts on a forum site lol. The "dear player" is beyond a social media post or Insta saying how supportive I am of LGBT. I do what to know what it is you think.

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1
Sorry I'm late, I left out of state to visit my mom.
Speaking of Mother's Day, the award does NOT go to Mariana because she didn't even comment on Nancy's boutonniere

It goes with the 8th Amendment: Cruel and Unusual punishment

You don't need to be a lawyer to see that what happened with Nancy was overboard. There's no solid line for what qualifies as overboard so it's voted on by the Council if it becomes contentious. If Mariana was overcompensating, giving him a harsher punishment to save face in the eyes of the Daedric Council, that's bad karma. She didn't punish him because it's what he deserved. She punished him more than he deserved, and knowingly so for her own sake. Krama (the female, Daedric) calls that her domain (aka bad karma). Krama calls to the Collector, and the Collector does their duty to implement the misfortune (Diederick). It makes perfect sense. Karma originated the [Ordination of Misfortune]

Coprini calls on a favor from Krama to force Karma to collect, and bring about additional misfortune to Mariana

This would, of course, influence the development of Orivae, potentially hurting Nellie, but it can serve as a subtle influence to the outcome. For the sake of ease, I'd reference who is who instead of saying Krama and Karma or Amark and expecting your brain's auto-correct to kick in. It would be along the lines of Krama: Holy God of Good Karma

I see. I was thinking too narrow of a scope. I forget that these aren't just mortal people with schedules, they're powers and principalities altering the world.
Anyways, I will keep this in mind! I see there might be an assist Nancy vs. grief Mariana route. Coprini only has access to Bad Karma by the looks of it, though what Zeltzan has in mind is more direct to Nancy.
Though there might be incentive to bring misfortune to Mariana AND Nellie. I was going to include this in Zeltzan's excerpt before deciding it was irrelevant, but despite wanting to help Nellie she's not pleased with her actions that pretty much led to manslaughter. She'd be less pleased to find out Nellie's not getting any sort of punishment for it.
Many thoughts, head full.

I'm down to talk a bit deeper. I just do the professional distance for most players since we're here for a purpose. I NEVER want this to feel like a chore. After this long, it would be silly to act like there's nothing to me knowing how you write, or at least your mindset. Yeah, I'm busy but after 4 years? I think I'm willing to hear you out. If you got a problem, bring it up. Personaly or otherwise

We're kind of beyond the professional stuff, but I maintain it unless the player has something more personal to bring up. I just let it be known that I'm not a therapist. I can only give my POV to whatever.

That's best done by professionals. I don't want to influence someone's life decisions. Let me know though. I do have a care beyond your posts on a forum site lol. The "dear player" is beyond a social media post or Insta saying how supportive I am of LGBT. I do what to know what it is you think.

Nice, nice. Know that it goes both ways, too. I'll always make time for you if you need advice or to just vent or anything. I like being there for folks.
But yes, I don't intend to drop any heavy stuff on you unless it's relevant to RP stuff. Or, like, I'm at wit's end and need a stranger's perspective, but I'll always ask first, lol.

And speaking of personal stuff: if Steven goes on a tirade about how "life is hard so suck it up", Nancy's clapback is gonna be SO fucking personal. Because every time someone treats me like a sheltered damsel just because I'm anxious 24/7, I lose 50 braincells.
/jk... mostly lmao. Tbh I kinda hope he does because it'll give Nancy the chance to show that he's NOT to be fucked with despite sweating bullets everywhere he goes. Narrative shit and such

 

[Kylesar1]

I'm gonna attempt to lock Steven behind a wall. Steven is too tough love of a person, which is fine but not for everyone. It probably isn't the choice for Nancy. Out of Ves and Steven, who both come on too strong for their own reasons, Jack is kind of the go to's to keep Nancy as much NANCY as he is.

Ves will seek to make him Anti-Goddess and get him to the Seyres Aristocracy territory. Steven will attempt to make him hardened. Jack? Jack doesn't give a damn as long as he's alive. He's that uncle happy to see him alive and well but won't influence him to walk ANY path

Then there's Elaina who WILL encourage him to walk a path, but won't tell him WHICH PATH because she's just interested in seeing where he ends up. So in a way, Ves is the opposite of Steven, and Elaina is the opposite of Jack. All of them have appeals, and all of them downsides in line with their personalities. Steven is BY FAR the strongest and will make Nancy strong and ruthless. Ves will make Nancy more dependent on his own strength at the cost of everything else. Elaina will make him more analytical and logical, but cynical. Jack will make Nancy more Nancy through and through. For both better and worse

Elaina, Jack, and Steven are the nodes into the Pirate crew as time goes on. Steven is the most optional but the strongest by far. Jack is the most balanced. Elaina is the hardest since she's the most controlling. Ves is like Jack, but she wants to lead Nancy away from the Pirates

I kind of like that dynamic. Just a list of what Nancy stands to lose.

Jack, Steven, Ves, Elaina (Authenticity, Strength, Determination, Logic)

Person	Jack (A)	Steven (S)	Ves (D)	Elaina (L)
Jack (A)	I am me. Damn everything else!	I know me enough to know my limits	Be me to where I can help people	Be the most realistic me
Steven (S)	Confidentially take on what I know	You WILL be defeated, by God do I promise!	I KNOW I can take this on	CAN I take this on? Let's see.......
Ves (D)	We WILL beat this	I BELIEVE I can take it!	WE WILL CONQUER THE WORLD	I can win, but I have to be certain!
Elaina (L)	Can I learn more? Teach me!	I'll learn it and defeat it!	I know I can tell you how to defeat it!	There is nothing you won't know......

This is kind of the table I envision Nancy working with. Of course it's not on me to put you in a box. He can choose to align with no one. That's on you! I just want to give a little bit of shape to where Nancy ends up in MY vision. Sebas can give advice, but he's not trying to align him period
WayfaringWaaksian

• Jack Burned= Steven not available
• Steven Burned= Jack not available
• Ves Burned= No Seyres Aristocracy; Join the Pirates for any sense of ease
• Elaina Burned= Impossible; She'll just make your life harder, spitefully so

Sebas- Doesn't know. Doesn't care. Mix of all, influenced by the girls, but never to lead astray

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1
Ooh nice, you really put some thought into this!

Yeah, it seems like Steven is better suited for whiners in need of a kick in the ass over mentally ill folk with self-worth issues. But it's not so much the tough love as much as Nancy doubting the "love" part. Nancy can take some harsh criticism, but that criticism needs to come from someone he knows DOUBTLESSLY that they have good intentions towards him.

So far, Steven has ticked off a lot of boxes that Nancy associates with people who have hurt him before. Pulling Mariah away from comforting him (isolation and abandonment), never asking how he's doing (callousness), only bringing up things Steven is displeased with (disdain). Not that any of those things are objective and true, that's just how Nancy perceives them. His mentors in the past (not including Zeltzan) have used and abused him, to the point where now he'll start to project those qualities onto people he doesn't know based on small triggers. It's more a trauma response than an innate personality trait, also influenced by his lack of confidence.
I could add Abandonment Issues and Trust Issues to his Weaknesses, but it's already bloated enough, lmao. I could fill those slots forever on my characters tbh.

To Nancy, Steven comes across as someone who cares more about Nancy BEING better than GETTING better. Too locked into his method of approach at best, or just wanting the satisfaction of making Nancy his version of "better" at worst. He doesn't feel like his own person around Steven, or even a person at all. Just something to fix to someone else's liking.

• As a sidenote, this is also why he currently hates Elaina. In his mind, she's done good but with ill intentions. Also she's a bitch, LOL

Anyways, Steven doesn't have to give "hugs and kisses and shit" to assure Nancy of his good intentions. He just has to prove that he actually does care about him and isn't hiding behind a farce to use him as a punching bag. The "I love you" before "but you're being a dumbass" goes a long way for Nancy, though it will need to be more than just in words. Alternatively, Jack can try to convince Nancy since he's closer to Steven.


ANYWAYS ANYWAYS, I'm gonna stop here before I write a whole book. Nancy could seek alignment with any or all of who you listed, it really all depends on how they interact with him and Nancy's willingness to listen. He's in a very malleable state, so really anything could happen at this point.
Speaking of walls though, remember that Fergie is there to shoo Steven away if he can't take no for an answer. Stalking them like a FREAK!

In lieu of that, there's also Fergie (Independence) and Bogrum (Versatility) he could seek later on. Fergie would make him more sure of who he is like Jack, but to the point of resisting change even if for the better. Bogrum would be the opposite, I imagine. Honestly I've put more thought in Fergie because I know she'll be invested in him soon. She will want him to feel confident in being himself, which will give him a safe place. However, her pirate roughness might toughen him up enough to where he can accept Steven's harsh council.
Vlad (Confidence) and Nellie (Ferocity) are unavailable, but were key factors in making him be able to stand up for himself.