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Avante

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Although this is something prevalent in social media and something I’ve been exposed and participate in, I think having a voting system (like or dislike) isn’t as encouraging as the intent behind the function would suggest. It really operates more like a subtle form of social control and most often than not a popularity contest that everyone is immediately subjected to. While the funny/witty comments rise, the ones with thought and effort often don’t get to see the light of day because it’s a lot more effort to read.

Even though it’s convenient to simply press a button, I think people are apt to share less and less of what they really think and just blend into what the hive mind because of the judgement. That, and it’s easier to press a button rather than actually put effort to delve into a discussion - whether that’s to expand on similar and/or opposing viewpoints. I guess, this is what social interaction has been reduced to.

In fact, it may even be changing people’s neural circuitry by activating the reward system, nucleus accumbens. It’s why people seem to obsess about their “likes” and “numbers”. It’s a hardwired reaction in their brains. It might explain the younger generations behaviour to adults who didn’t grow up with this technology and don’t understand why teens/yougeneration seek social validation through social media. Yet, it’s the older generation who designed the user design/interface to begin with.

For anyone who’s experienced the web before this “voting system” was implemented, what was it like, in terms of communication? Was it any better? Or more fun? Or worse? Did it stay the same? As a younger person who’s been exposed and been accustomed to this form of communication, I’d like to know.
 

Merciless Medic

Walking Pokemon Dictionary
Avante Avante , I was technically around before the "voting system" was in place on most sites, but I was really young then. Granted, people did other things to get more attention. It was a matter of the shock value of what they were talking about and how funny you were. Arguably, you can get some really fucked up dark humor back then that was actually funny. Nowadays, I don't find anything like that anymore. People were better at socializing and, while assumptions were a common theme, it wasn't that bad. Though, you do get the more "eccentric" or "lonely" people on the internet who act borderline creepy, but that's just because they need irl friends and use digital as a way to fill the void. Plus, kids were a prevalent thing back then. Though, the difference between then and now is that we didn't have kids as young as 4 playing with iPads or owning an iPhone all to themselves. When I was younger, we had a family computer I had to share with my brother and sometimes my parents and most parents were pretty good at keeping their kids from under the age of 13 from going on any sites they shouldn't be. But granted, I also had those parents who didn't mind it when I played violent video games at the age of 5. XD That was fun. Never had much of an issue with being violent and playing violent video games actually taught me to be more empathic and find better methods of letting out my frustrations and anger funnily enough. Though, I understand that this didn't work with everyone.

I do agree with you on the voting system. While I do like the "likes" and "hearts" I get on my comments, I don't much care for them. The only reason why I like or love someone's post is because I have read it. It also makes people feel like they had an idea that someone agrees with (which is mostly the case and I love hearing people's perspectives on things). The times I don't, even when I have read them, is because I don't agree with someone's thought process. No matter how detailed or short their response is, I spend time reading them and liking them as I read them so I kind remind myself that I have already read them.

While my generation was brought up in both instant gratification and long-term gratification/attrition wars depending on the parents and how much internet access and video games you were allowed to play, as that contributed heavily to how we perceive goals and rewards nowadays. Hell, even children shows started doing that recently with only a few programs ever really delving into the long-term goals that take forever but it's worth it in the end.

Everything is so simplified now and it bothers me so much. Where's the challenge?
 

Avante

Future’s Past
Merciless Medic Merciless Medic

I appreciate your response! It actually helps to understand how the internet has evolved. I asked my older friends and co-workers what the internet was like back then. I think they gave a slightly different opinion, but expressed the same sentiments. It was simpler and people certainly were more open and candid with humour. The PC culture and “policing” other’s opinions without context is something of a phenomenon more recently - with “cancel” culture. So the darker humour, back then, makes sense. They also mentioned people were more creative. They cited people like Smosh or Ryan Higa who’s sketches were pretty varied and funny, despite catering to their own niche. “Challenges” and a mass upload of similar content were less common because people wanted to do their own thing.

By kids, did you mean children’s content was being monitored? Or that kids were actually enjoying childhood outside technology? I think my generation grew up connected so there’s less “playing outside” and more “playing inside” via videogames. I remember PSA being in videogames for when you’ve played too long. And I totally understand where you’re coming from. My mom pretty much bought my siblings and I, who also share a console, Call of Duty, without being worried about violence. My parents pretty much trusted us to be able to distinguish reality from fiction so we also never developed any problems in that area. It’s wild to hear kids my age who were influenced to do malicious things from “Slenderman”, if you’ve heard of this incident a few years back.

I don’t put any weight or importance into the voting system because it’s just an arbitrary feature. I imagine no amount of likes or dislikes would dissuade me from saying what I need to if I have a message to get out. On that note, I see this more with my younger cousins and it’s concerning what their anxieties are when it comes to getting “likes” in their posts. They seem to be more concerned by how they’ll get perceived versus seeing the medium (Tiktok, Youtube, etc.) as a means for sharing authentic creativity. That could also be just their own age and developmental stage, but it seems to be heightened with more pressures to participate in online activity. I saw a dwindling number of optional after school clubs as I graduated elementary school. There’s less interest in actually talking to others now. It’s bizarre how the more connected you seem online, the more awkward your personal encounters are in real life because the expectations are different. I think social anxiety is affecting more and more people now.

I haven’t thought about it as an alert system. That’s really interesting! I guess, it could certainly function as a “delivered” or “read” notification. But personally, I would rather see it removed. It levels the playing field and gives each person’s opinion equal weight so they don’t feel discouraged to post/share.

I definitely see the co-relation between shorter attention spans and goal setting. I think the idea of instant gratification is something that can be self-monitored, but even then, we’re all impervious to it because it’s a pillar of the bigger economic model and drives consumerism.

I agree, I think hard work does need to be emphasized more often. People become over night sensations and have their lives change. And now, they’re able to broadcast that moment so that more people are of the opinion that success is that easy, or rather should be that easy. It’s why motivation and life coaches grew in popularity over the years as well. But even those individuals can succumb to corruption and misuse of power.

These are strange times we’re living in. We have the same problems, but just enveloped in different forms.
 

Murdergurl

will turn your insides into your outsides
Busting your ass at a job rarely ever pays off. Hard working employees give more than they should. Contrary to what every hiring manager will tell you, it is oftentimes the brown-nosing, Manager's Pet(s) that get the perks: whether it be better schedules, promotions, requested days off, etc. Oh, and let's not forget about nepotism. That shit runs rampant in my town.

To quote a certain ugly, wild-west outlaw:
"If you work for a living, why kill yourself working?"
 

Mia Moulop

And such good luck
I don’t understand why people are so obsessed with holding people accountable (and by people, I mean people over the internet whom they have never met). There’s calling someone out, but it’s not your job to hold them accountable, you’re not their parent.
 

Jannah

I suppose I'm back. Hello again.
Busting your ass at a job rarely ever pays off. Hard working employees give more than they should. Contrary to what every hiring manager will tell you, it is oftentimes the brown-nosing, Manager's Pet(s) that get the perks: whether it be better schedules, promotions, requested days off, etc. Oh, and let's not forget about nepotism. That shit runs rampant in my town.

To quote a certain ugly, wild-west outlaw:
"If you work for a living, why kill yourself working?"
Welcome to late-stage capitalism.
 

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