Advice/Help Would anyone like to see a Redwall RP?

[boo.]

Just what the title says. I have the basis of a plot, which might follow the basic pattern of a real Redwall story: a prophecy and two groups, one at home and one abroad. I think a max would be around ten people.

I would be looking for people who are able to write accents into their writing- you know, molespeak, the accent of hares, and the like. I would be willing to help teach people, seeing as it's a difficult talent to master.

I just wanted to know if people were even interested, and if so, would like to help me craft this story. It also wouldn't be a problem if you haven't read any of the books in a while, or haven't even read them at all. It doesn't even matter which books you have read.

Once again, I just wanted to know if this was something worth doing. I just don't want to waste my time creating something no one is interested in.

 

[AlbaGuBrath]

Oooh, Redwall... I'm not gonna lie, I'm over 20 years old and still love these books... Jacques is so wonderful... It's been far too long since I've settled down with one of them, though...

I would be very interested in seeing something like this, whether to lurk or participate. Any more details on the plot?
If I might add a suggestion, I think it would be interesting to kinda edge away from the sterotypical "good, peaceful, wholesome woodland creatures" versus "evil, cruel, malicious vermin". Not that that's a bad thing or that it shouldn't be there at all, but I'd be interested in seeing what a wicked mouse or a gentle weasel would be like. Though, of course, if you don't care for that idea or feel that it would lose that Redwall feel, it isn't necessary.

As far as dialects, that was one of my favorite parts of the books. I loved that I could hear all of the characters' voices and delighted in their little quirks of speech. (Eh, wot, wot?)
However, it has been quite a while since I've read any of the books, so I'm afraid I don't remember much about how they worked. I would like to be able to write for moles and gates especially, but also perhaps otters and sparrows.

 

[Life.]

Redwall...I didn't think I'd ever see the title of the series ever again. Great series really. I never got to reading all of them, but I may find a way to pick up one or two of the books now. Redwall was my true inspiration for reading and writing, along with the Warriors series. But let me tell you I was only in the sixth grade when I began reading them. I don't believe I understood some of the vocabulary even used! But I loved the books nonetheless!

Aside from my aside (see what I did there) as Alba said I would love to either just stalk your progression or be of any assistance! And also like Alba said it would be interesting to see a different take on the archetypes or roles of the creatures that Jacques tended to write for. To further develop of Alba's idea a potential plot could be a weasel going through a journey to find what he really wants to be and going to the struggles of escaping the role he was destined to play (being evil of course).

Oh this is getting me all excited just talking about it! I've always loved the dialect for the hares!

 

[Miniapollo17]

I used to read some of these in junior high! I never expected to see that name since I only ever met one friend who knew about it.

Admittedly I've forgotten a lot about it so I might need some reminders/accent training (don't remember those too well) but I'm still interested, if nothing pops up school-wise.

 

[boo.]

AlbaGuBrath Life. Miniapollo17

*tuggs snout politely*

Burr, Oi gurtly be h'pprecitate'n yon partikipashon, zurrs! Oi surpinkley hopes ee can 'elp me, an' also likerwise.

Aaaaaaand that's all I've got. I found this guide to Redwall dialects(click here), and while it's not large, it's enough to get started.

As my moley friend stated above, I am please and slightly surprised to find some Redwall lovers. It's really good to see. Now, onto business: I do like to see this idea of switching things up, like having a vermin-esque protagonist and the like. What I had an idea for was a son or daughter of a Badger Lord being the antagonist, maybe because they had an older brother/sister who took the title from their mother/father. I have seen in the books a joint ruling in Salamandastron, but this bad badger wasn't chosen for a reason, cause maybe they've always been bad.

But this is super vague, so I'd like your thoughts. This is most certainly not a concrete plot idea, so please give me feedback. Storywriting always begins with creating your antagonist, so we should begin there, then give them a motive.

 

[AlbaGuBrath]

Oh goodness, a badger antagonist would be really scary! Sounds cool!

I think that's an interesting idea about them fighting their siblings because they took power from their parents. I feel like this character would actually feel that they were doing the right thing by fighting those who "usurped" the throne (whether they did or not), especially if the circumstances surrounding the exchange of power weren't clear cut. I like the idea of players and characters having to choose what they believe is right rather than it being obvious from the beginning.

Something else I was thinking of would be how these characters got that way or how they responded to society's expectations of them. I think this would be especially interesting if this badger had a right-hand-fox or something that was innately good-hearted, but was treated like a liar and scoundrel until they were like "Forget this. If they say I'm bad, I'll show them bad!". (Think Elphaba from Wicked, especially in No Good Deed)

 

[boo.]

AlbaGuBrath

Hmmmmm I knew I liked you. I think blurring the lines between good and evil here could be really cool, and making people choose sides could build tension. People could join the badger on his quest to reclaim his throne, and the badger is making them believe that whoever is ruling Salamandaston is evil, and even that the Long Patrol is corrupted.

Maybe this badger goes to Redwall and claims that he needs Martin's sword.

OH

WHAT IF HE STEALS IT

OR HAS SOMEONE STEAL IT FOR HIM

ALL THE WHILE HIS FOLLOWERS ARE THINKING THIS IS FOR GOOD

BUT THIS BADGER IS REALLY JUST EVIL HIMSELF/HERSELF

 

[Miniapollo17]

I like the notion of stealing it, that gives more of a reason for a conflict IMO


~on mobile~

 

[Life.]

Oh stealing Martin's Sword. It would be interesting that perhaps a rebellious mouse follows along the views of the corruption in the badger and the Long Patrol. Perhaps we could also have it that the creatures who are normally written as evil are the ones who begin seeing this descent of the Long Patrol and said badger (I think I'll refer to him as Lucius for now). So these groups who are intently evil and dislike the ideals of Redwall see the potential danger from Lucius rising and perhaps influencing the Long Patrol. Redwall, being the kind creatures they are, are oblivious to the corruption. Soon enough a few individuals from these groups go out and attempt to convince Redwall denizens and perhaps even create their own missions to start this surge of imbalance between evil and good.

Eh...I thought I had a good idea going but I'm not too sure now if I'm following along the lines of Redwall. It's been soooooo long. But I'll throw this out there and see how it goes. I do hope this makes sense. I didn't get much sleep last night, so I'm practically a zombie at this point.

 

[AlbaGuBrath]

Life. I think I see what you mean... So, maybe there has been a bit of a slip in leadership (or not) or there has been some sort of hardship that creates a bit of dissatisfaction, especially among the young. So, for instance, when this rebellious mouse heard rumors of corruption, they and others easily believe it and want to make things better, while others think it would only make things worse. Kinda the conflict between whether chaos and rebellion is justifiable if it's fighting corruption, or if good creatures should always support and obey authority even if it isn't perfect. Also questions of goodness/corruption in both sides. Is that kinda what you meant?

You raise a good point about maintaining a Redwall feel to it. What do y'all think makes up that "feel"?
Personally, I always thought it was largely in his style of writing and just the overall charm of the entire world. It felt like a fairy-tale and just made me feel good as I was reading. But then, as I got older, it started to bother me how stock everything was. Not that that's bad for the books (they are for kids, after all), but I think it would be rewarding to step out of that and work on something a little more complex.
I think that this could be done without sacrificing the charm of the novels by keeping those elements that delighted us before (funny characters, rich descriptions, strong heroes and villains, etc.) while adding elements that deal with more problematic issues and characters that are good/bad for reasons other than their species. I don't think that it has to be a dark story (I think that would actually hurt the feeling) or completely throw away the world already established, but it could play with expectations a little bit.

So, assuming that we are dealing with different interpretations of the same event, will any of the players know beforehand what actually happened, or would that be revealed at the end?

 

[Life.]

Life. I think I see what you mean... So, maybe there has been a bit of a slip in leadership (or not) or there has been some sort of hardship that creates a bit of dissatisfaction, especially among the young. So, for instance, when this rebellious mouse heard rumors of corruption, they and others easily believe it and want to make things better, while others think it would only make things worse. Kinda the conflict between whether chaos and rebellion is justifiable if it's fighting corruption, or if good creatures should always support and obey authority even if it isn't perfect. Also questions of goodness/corruption in both sides. Is that kinda what you meant?

You raise a good point about maintaining a Redwall feel to it. What do y'all think makes up that "feel"?
Personally, I always thought it was largely in his style of writing and just the overall charm of the entire world. It felt like a fairy-tale and just made me feel good as I was reading. But then, as I got older, it started to bother me how stock everything was. Not that that's bad for the books (they are for kids, after all), but I think it would be rewarding to step out of that and work on something a little more complex.
I think that this could be done without sacrificing the charm of the novels by keeping those elements that delighted us before (funny characters, rich descriptions, strong heroes and villains, etc.) while adding elements that deal with more problematic issues and characters that are good/bad for reasons other than their species. I don't think that it has to be a dark story (I think that would actually hurt the feeling) or completely throw away the world already established, but it could play with expectations a little bit.

So, assuming that we are dealing with different interpretations of the same event, will any of the players know beforehand what actually happened, or would that be revealed at the end?

Yuppers that follows along the line of what I was trying to say. And I do see what you mean. I guess for me I saw Redwall as having set protagonists and antagonists, but with the idea building it up this challenges against the norms of what Redwall contains. This being a nice change. Since we are a little older though perhaps our interpretations of protagonists and antagonists have changed, actually more than likely they did. This will contribute to our own world-building to the definition of Redwall. But yes I would like to see added elements of issues that can be seen nowadays in the world (ethnic tensions, dissatisfaction of the wealthy, etc.) to the charming elements that Jacques had.

 

[Mr. Gideon]

YES!!!

I suggested something akin to this on my other rp site, but it didnt pick up interest.

I am an avid fan of the series, it can be easily adaptable to being portrayed by adults, the series itself though meant for children, does have a lot of things that you just don't reaize how bad they are until you are older. Take for example in the first novel, Written not chronology wise, Redwall, Matthias and Silent sam see one member of Cluny's crew murder another, that being said i would be interested in helping, but might not be able to participate in such a thing due to rl concerns.

Though starting with figuring out an antagonist is a good start, i think figuring out when we will set this thing should be first at least to an extent, and how canon we will have it be. Additionally whether rpers will be only with the 'good guys' or if tey could eb on either.

I do like the idea of a Badger bad guy, so many ways we could go with that, possibly have the Blood rage or whatever it is called factor into it, as that is something common to nearly all badgers, if not all of them.

 

[boo.]

Miniapollo17
Life.
AlbaGuBrath
Mr. Gideon

So, Rebellious Mouse and Co.™ join this badger(Lucius is a good name), whom they believe to be the rightful leader of Salamandaston, and they listen to his lies of corruption within that mountain. Maybe all of the Redwallers believe this at first, seeing as he is a badger and badgers are always good, but some start to see something in him that is unlike his kin. For example, perhaps his bloodlust is triggered too easily, and he almost kills someone.

I really like LifeNovel's idea of having vermin be the first to realize what is wrong. I'm not quite sure how this would happen, but I would love to see bands of vermin and Redwallers working together to defeat Lucius in the end. Maybe I'd get a chance to try out my Flitcheye speech. (That shit's hard, yo)

Figuring out where this lies in chronological order is more difficult. Most of the books are written within a generation of so of one another, so it would be difficult to place them somewhere without having something else going on at the same time. That being said, I'll do some research to figure out some potential placement in the timeline.

I would also like to give players a choice between which side they prefer. I won't give any inclination towards which side is right and which is wrong, just that there is a choice.

 

[Mr. Gideon]

What we could do, for the timeline is just have it not be that specific something like:

It has been many generations since conflict last fell over Mossflower or the surrounding lands. All has been peaceful, though that will soon be changed. A rogue Badger lord, Lucius Blackash has decided to claim what is rightfully his, the Throne of Salamandstrom. To this end he has ventured deep into the wilds of Mossflower to enlist the aid of the Goodbeasts of Redwall Abbey.

This can of course be adapted to use names we as a whole have decided on and can be tweaked. I chose the last name based on the fact that many badgers have had tree/flower oriented names in part.

Also good news, i found a redwall name generator, character creator and a forum site dedicated to redwall though hasnt been active in a while from what i can see.

 

[Twyllvarlais]

Redwall...I didn't think I'd ever see the title of the series ever again. Great series really. I never got to reading all of them, but I may find a way to pick up one or two of the books now. Redwall was my true inspiration for reading and writing, along with the Warriors series. But let me tell you I was only in the sixth grade when I began reading them. I don't believe I understood some of the vocabulary even used! But I loved the books nonetheless!

Aside from my aside (see what I did there) as Alba said I would love to either just stalk your progression or be of any assistance! And also like Alba said it would be interesting to see a different take on the archetypes or roles of the creatures that Jacques tended to write for. To further develop of Alba's idea a potential plot could be a weasel going through a journey to find what he really wants to be and going to the struggles of escaping the role he was destined to play (being evil of course).

Oh this is getting me all excited just talking about it! I've always loved the dialect for the hares!

I thought I was one of the few people who read the Redwall and Warrior series growing up. Good to see there are like minded people.

 

[sorrow made you]

Oh man, Redwall. I haven't read that in so long! ;;A;;
I wish you the best of luck on this because it sounds like a very interesting idea. My memory is too foggy for me to be able to do anything with it.
//gross sobbing

 

[Mr. Gideon]

I have decided if i do participate, i want to make a grizzled highland hare (Because of the accent obviously) and he may be a supporter of Lucius and quite possibly a former member of the Long Patrol in Seasons past.

 

[boo.]

What we could do, for the timeline is just have it not be that specific something like:

It has been many generations since conflict last fell over Mossflower or the surrounding lands. All has been peaceful, though that will soon be changed. A rogue Badger lord, Lucius Blackash has decided to claim what is rightfully his, the Throne of Salamandstrom. To this end he has ventured deep into the wilds of Mossflower to enlist the aid of the Goodbeasts of Redwall Abbey.

This can of course be adapted to use names we as a whole have decided on and can be tweaked. I chose the last name based on the fact that many badgers have had tree/flower oriented names in part.

Also good news, i found a redwall name generator, character creator and a forum site dedicated to redwall though hasnt been active in a while from what i can see.

That could work. Nonspecifics would probably be better than trying to make the timeline work.

Also, grizzled highland hare DO IT!

I LOVE THOSE GUYS

Twyllvarlais sorrow made you

Thanks for your interest! Don't worry about remembering, because I was going to make a helpful guide for all those rusty Redwallers out there.

Now, I also had another plot idea:
AlbaGuBrath had suggested creating a fox sidekick for the badger in the beginning, and this fox actually has a good heart. But, as Lucius begins to gather supporters, this fox receives harsh judgement from all, and realizes that if they say he's bad, he must be.

But in fact, as he breaks off from Lucius's party and vows to stop him, perhaps after a fight, he would actually be on ths side of good, as he is now against Lucius, who is evil.

Do you see what I mean? It's kinda complicated, but would give our story the beginnings of our good guys.

I know this is unorthodox (extremely so) but what if...

What if this fox was the new swordbearer chosen by Martin the Warrior?

Think about it.

Or it could be this rebellious mouse™, or anyone else, really.

 

[Mr. Gideon]

So basically good guy that is convinced they are bad, until something happens that seperates them from the truly bad guys, essentiually what happens with nearly every season of power rangers, lol.

We could have there be multiple wielders to a point, that has happened in the actual series. though not all of the wielders kept the sword at the time obviously.

 

[Life.]

I got so pumped up for this that I went and bought Redwall again. I'm gonna read it soon~

 

[Mr. Gideon]

Though we are still in tge brainstorming stage. Off the bat are there any areas we wont use in the series, or vice versa?

 

[adrian_]

Just what the title says. I have the basis of a plot, which might follow the basic pattern of a real Redwall story: a prophecy and two groups, one at home and one abroad. I think a max would be around ten people.

I would be looking for people who are able to write accents into their writing- you know, molespeak, the accent of hares, and the like. I would be willing to help teach people, seeing as it's a difficult talent to master.

I just wanted to know if people were even interested, and if so, would like to help me craft this story. It also wouldn't be a problem if you haven't read any of the books in a while, or haven't even read them at all. It doesn't even matter which books you have read.

Once again, I just wanted to know if this was something worth doing. I just don't want to waste my time creating something no one is interested in.

Meh bee loikin yer ideya marm, wot, wot!

Annnnnnd, that's the most I can do, was that mole? I couldn't remember. But I am DEFINITELY going to try to join this.

 

[Mr. Gideon]

That was mole with hare at the end.

We could do what was dome with the accents for the old tv series.

Shrews are romani, hares are british and scottish, most vermin are cockney kind of, etc

Someone had mentioned an accent guide, i think, was that linked?

 

[Life.]

Yup Handa placed it up on an earlier post but I'll put it here too.

http://redwallwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Speaking_Guide_to_Redwall

Mr. Gideon

 

[adrian_]

Oh, I think I've just found something to make jokes out of: