Other What do you think of Ben shapiro?

[Bacon is fluffy]

The dude is interesting to listen to because he's a fast talker and carries a sense of deliberateness and confidence whenever he addresses someone else. As someone who finds social justice warriors to be a plague on the world, his talks are refreshing. It's lovely to find someone with a shred of integrity address issues of excessive political correctness, affirmative action, and one who advocates social decency without being an extremist toward either end.

He's not saying the N-word(I already know that will be taken down if I actually write it out) as a form of protest against the left who insists that you can't say offensive things because it offends people. But he also advocates for speech to be free because your feelings don't matter when it comes to big boy topics such as transgenderism, the state of black people in america, campus rape, and whether or not donald trump is a good or bad guy. If you make a positive claim about racism and rape, then he doesn't support you without facts. Unlike schools where the accused are guilty until proven innocent.

Let that sink in. On university campuses, or at least mine, they pushed incorrect figures on rape* and say that you should just support whoever said they were raped. Even if they didn't go to the police and didn't say anything for months or even years. Ben's stance is if you were attacked he'd stand by you,but you must show evidence first.

Which leads me to what sort of is off putting about him. Despite his meritocracy talks being some of the finest talks I've ever had the pleasure of listening to, he's somewhat of an extreme conservative. He's pro life, anti government to the point where he still expects them to do stuff,but not expect funding. And when it comes to health care, he's a bourgeoisie who would advocate the free market in health care even if it means some people not being coverable by normal means.

This is because his wife's a doctor, so he's only speaking in his own self interest. I too can sympathize with him not wanting her to be held up at gun point to give care to people who can't pay. But at the same time it's an argument that clearly is made in his self interest and he has never admitted that. So while he's trashing socialist left leaning people in his audience, what no one ever really picks up on is his genuine bias toward his own self interest.

But I only object to him because I'm only thinking in my own self interest. If state funding for my own health care coverage was pulled tomorrow, I'd die if I got sick or hurt without mercy. It's just not possible or rather, isn't worth it to be paid minimum wage and pay into kaiser that costs 200 dollars a month or pay into a different health care plan that requires that I pay into it for 6 months before getting the benefits of it. It's just not in my self interest to go to the doctors when I feel under the weather because it can be expensive just for a check up.

But enough about me, I'm wondering what do you think of ben shapiro? Dude's a hardcore conservative and a staunch believer in the free market. For me it's a spectrum with him. Sometimes he matches up with me and other times I would literally be arguing for hours with him over his overly pragmatic arguments.

*The figure SJSU pushed was 1 in 3 women being raped based on faulty self reports. If 1 in 3 women were raped in the us on college campuses, then it literally would be a rape state.

According to the US Census report, there are about to 16 million students enrolled in colleges across the United States (US). And, together with Pre-K through 12th grade, there are a total of 74.6 million students in the US.

If 55 percent of those are women, then 41.3 million girls are going to college right now. And if .33 are getting raped a year, then 13.5399 women have been raped in the us in one year. These types of misleading statistics are the type of things ben would argue against and not be at all concerned about your feelings. in fact, he often times states that your feelings don't matter. xD

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[The Gunrunner]

I can't comment on everything he's said and done, and I only followed him a little bit in the past. However, I stopped watching him after watching his stuff on transgenderism. Considering he has dedicated entire talks on it, and calls it "Mass delusion" in the talks, even comparing it to schizophrenia as an analogy, I kiiind of stopped trusting the dude. I'm not talking about some feelings thing by the way ("He disrespected transgender people, grrr), I'm talking about making a conclusion on misunderstanding the situation. He thinks it's bad to encourage a delusion, but transgenderism isn't a delusion; they don't literally believe they are that other biological sex... That's why they get gender disphoria, leading to the surgery and hormone treatment.
If it was just a comment he made then it'd be fine, but that's not what happened. I personally don't watch him anymore and haven't bothered to fact-check the other stuff I've seen to garner whether or not the same issue is elsewhere.

From the video on rape culture, Ben doesn't quite seem to know what the claim is? Though to be fair I only understand it a little bit myself - There is a part of the claim that believes rape is somewhat normalized, yes, but not in that the culture likes the thought of forcing people to have sex. It's more a culture that supports or condones a kind of sexual aggression which leads to more rape, and then a misunderstanding on the definition's application causing people to not recognize what they're doing as rape sometimes. This is one of the reasons rape statistics like the uni's 25 (20?) percent thing (which was sexual violence, not just rape) are using surveys.

I probably wouldn't get back into him again, but it's because I'm a bit dubious to watching public speakers these days. I find it more reliable to watch someone who cites where they're getting their information, and a public speaker promoting a position doesn't often have said citations. Unless it's a more formal debate or something, idk.

 

[Hall Kervean]

He practices Judaism.
I practice Christianity.
Our beliefs are really, really similar.
So uh
*Sano Approved

The Gunrunner There are people who claim they are transsexual as well.

 

[Bacon is fluffy]

I can't comment on everything he's said and done, and I only followed him a little bit in the past. However, I stopped watching him after watching his stuff on transgenderism. Considering he has dedicated entire talks on it, and calls it "Mass delusion" in the talks, even comparing it to schizophrenia as an analogy, I kiiind of stopped trusting the dude. I'm not talking about some feelings thing by the way ("He disrespected transgender people, grrr), I'm talking about making a conclusion on misunderstanding the situation. He thinks it's bad to encourage a delusion, but transgenderism isn't a delusion; they don't literally believe they are that other biological sex... That's why they get gender disphoria, leading to the surgery and hormone treatment.
If it was just a comment he made then it'd be fine, but that's not what happened. I personally don't watch him anymore and haven't bothered to fact-check the other stuff I've seen to garner whether or not the same issue is elsewhere.

If you're interested, I'd be happy to find some footage on him explaining the topic from his own stance. He's a staunch believer in biology. Just because an adult man claims to be a woman,doesn't make them a woman. He also goes on to include statistics of the fact that people who go through with hormone blocking are more likely to be prone to suicide. The fact that children as young as kindergartners are being taught about gender dysphoria and are being confused in elementary schools. We can't teach kids about sex without consent,but a teach an impressionable 5 year old that they may not be a boy or a girl?

Hell you even claim that it's a disorder, which makes me wonder why lumping it in with schitzophrenia is such an insult. It's either a problem or it isn't. It's either an abnormality or it is. But to say he's disrespecting transgender people based on an argument about their actual biology, is essentially tuning him out.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

From the video on rape culture, Ben doesn't quite seem to know what the claim is? Though to be fair I only understand it a little bit myself - There is a part of the claim that believes rape is somewhat normalized, yes, but not in that the culture likes the thought of forcing people to have sex. It's more a culture that supports or condones a kind of sexual aggression which leads to more rape, and then a misunderstanding on the definition's application causing people to not recognize what they're doing as rape sometimes. This is one of the reasons rape statistics like the uni's 25 (20?) percent thing (which was sexual violence, not just rape) are using surveys.

He briefly mentions it. I'll probably have to get a better video on an actual discussion,but he mentions there's a difference between .06 and .25 percent of women being raped on college campuses.

Bureau of Justice Statistics Rape and Sexual Assault Among College-Age Females, 1995–2013

• Among females living in rural areas, the rate of rape and sexual assault was almost 2 times higher for nonstudents (8.8 per 1,000) than students (4.6 per 1,000).

I probably wouldn't get back into him again, but it's because I'm a bit dubious to watching public speakers these days. I find it more reliable to watch someone who cites where they're getting their information, and a public speaker promoting a position doesn't often have said citations. Unless it's a more formal debate or something, idk.

Same here. Not everything is quantified or quantifiable, so at the end of the day you have to take any piece of information or stance with a grain of salt.

 

[Bacon is fluffy]

He practices Judaism.
I practice Christianity.
Our beliefs are really, really similar.
So uh
*Sano Approved

The Gunrunner There are people who claim they are transsexual as well.

I was laughing when he was talking about Hugh Hefner. It lead him to say he's one of those no sex before marriage guys. We definitely don't line up on a lot of topics of either values or economics,but I enjoy the talks nonetheless.

 

[The Gunrunner]

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Had a reply, just copied and deleted it. Looking at the stats I didn't see before now.

 

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[Shireling]

I like him. I think it's humorous how the sillier left wing people accuse him of being a neo-Nazi considering he's a Jew.

 

[The Gunrunner]

I apologize for the wall of text. It's what I commonly do.

If you're interested, I'd be happy to find some footage on him explaining the topic from his own stance. He's a staunch believer in biology. Just because an adult man claims to be a woman,doesn't make them a woman. He also goes on to include statistics of the fact that people who go through with hormone blocking are more likely to be prone to suicide. The fact that children as young as kindergartners are being taught about gender dysphoria and are being confused in elementary schools. We can't teach kids about sex without consent,but a teach an impressionable 5 year old that they may not be a boy or a girl?

Sure, but I think I know what the position is based off of your description - It's not uncommon.
"Just because an adult man claims to be a woman, doesn't make them a woman." This is not transgenderism. Being transgender is not when a man literally believes they are a woman. If you think it is that, I would love to know what your answer is for "Then why do they get surgery to be more like a woman?" Billy thinks he is a woman, Billy gets surgery because he's not a woman. Bit of an issue there.
I'll respond to the statistics part in your quote below, because I think the link you provided is meant to support this bit.
As for kindergartners learning about dysphoria, why is that an issue? They're learning about a mental disorder that some people have.
I think it's good to teach kids something about sex or sexual activity because it would make them harder to manipulate into sex, but let's not open that can of worms. I honestly don't get how teaching a child that they MIGHT identify as a different gender, and telling them that's okay, would lead to them being confused. Is it confusing because you don't want kids to agree with the idea? Further issue: I'm not entirely sure what part of the debate you're specifying because there's...
Gender: The combination of traditional (or cultural) masculine traits and feminine traits. Does not make claims on biology.
Identity: How one sees themselves regarding biological sex. "I identify as a woman," or "I identify as a man" being most common. 'Isn't that the one above?' Possibly, but this thing may be biological. See, what's being assumed is that we learn to identify as the sex we have over time, but it might be something we are born to have right away.
Biological sex: Chromosomes, hormonal profiles, internal and external sex organs.
And gender is commonly used interchangeably with biological sex. It's a confusing discussion, especially when someone is lobbing all of it together. So are you against kindergartners learning about the alternate genders? Alternate biological sexes? Unorthodox identities?

Hell you even claim that it's a disorder, which makes me wonder why lumping it in with schitzophrenia is such an insult. It's either a problem or it isn't. It's either an abnormality or it is. But to say he's disrespecting transgender people based on an argument about their actual biology, is essentially tuning him out.

No. Gender disphoria is not the same thing as transgenderism. Gender disphoria is a disgust or discomfort one has for their bodies, but transgenderism is the alternate identity causing behaviour and presentation. The former is what causes treatments to happen, whereas for the latter it is possible for someone to just roll with it. I think transsexuality is essentially a transgender person who is uncomfortable with their bodies, most likely also having gender disphoria.
I didn't say lumping it with schizophrenia is an insult. I used it to further the claim that he thinks transgenderism is when someone literally believes they are a sex they are not. Gender disphoria alone shows this is false.
I said "I'm not talking about some feelings thing by the way ("He disrespected transgender people, grrr), I'm talking about making a conclusion on misunderstanding the situation" specifically to point out that I'm not disagreeing with him because I think he's being mean. I disagreed with him on the grounds that transgenderism is not a delusion.
final note, if you think it's all a mess of confusing BS then fine. Hell, it IS confusing. It's a jumble of claims on society, biology, psychology all with a common lack of understanding in the discussion making discourse like trying to fit your dick through a cheerio - Painful and difficult. However, despite what you may feel about it, none of this stuff describes a delusion. Hell, even if transgenderism were a mental disorder it still would not be a delusion. Hence why I think Ben Shapiro is factually wrong when he calls it such, and why I think it's fair to condemn him for dedicating talks on it with such a presentation.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

I'm not sure why you used this when the only thing using suicide in an argument was towards hormone treatment in transsexuals. I assume table 5 is what you were referring to when you said "He also goes on to include statistics of the fact that people who go through with hormone blocking are more likely to be prone to suicide," because it is about suicide and this table includes hormone treatment. Here's the issue:
"Table 5, respondents who said they had received transition related health care or wanted to have it someday were more likely to report having attempted suicide than those who said they did not want it. This pattern was observed across all transition-related services and procedures that were explored in the NTDS." It doesn't conclude that treatments lead to higher percentages of suicide attempts, it states those who want it or received it have attempted suicide at some point - Even before actually getting the treatment. That means it could have been suicide-inducing stress until they took the treatment, or attempts after because of the treatment. And before you send me your own interpretation: "The survey did not provide information about the timing of reported suicide attempts in relation to receiving transition-related health care, which precluded investigation of transition-related explanations for these patterns."
Meaning that if there's another interpretation, it doesn't narrow down to the treatments causing suicide. Issue is, those who are suffering from gender disphoria are more likely to get treatment... duh. But those with gender disphoria are also more likely to attempt suicide, because it's a mental disorder which causes discomfort.

He briefly mentions it. I'll probably have to get a better video on an actual discussion, but he mentions there's a difference between .06 and .25 percent of women being raped on college campuses.

Bureau of Justice Statistics Rape and Sexual Assault Among College-Age Females, 1995–2013

• Among females living in rural areas, the rate of rape and sexual assault was almost 2 times higher for nonstudents (8.8 per 1,000) than students (4.6 per 1,000).

I'm sorry, but I really have to be honest - I have no idea what you're trying to do here. I say this because this agrees with the rape culture claim:
Me: "It's more a culture that supports or condones a kind of sexual aggression which leads to more rape, and then a misunderstanding on the definition's application causing people to not recognize what they're doing as rape sometimes. This is one of the reasons rape statistics like the uni's 25 (20?) percent thing (which was sexual violence, not just rape) are using surveys."

Link:
"Rape and sexual assault victimizations were more likely to go unreported to police among victims who were college students (80 percent) than nonstudents (67 percent). About a quarter of student (26 percent) and nonstudent (23 percent) victims who did not report to police believed the incident was a personal matter, and 1 in 5 (20 percent each) stated a fear of reprisal. Student victims (12 percent) were more likely than nonstudent victims (5 percent) to state that the incident was not important enough to report."
"While college students experienced lower rates of rape and sexual assault than nonstudents in 1995–2013, their average annual rate was still consistently higher than females in other age brackets (ages 12 to 17 and 25 or older). A third (33 percent) of rape and sexual assault victimizations against female college students involved completed rape, compared to 40 percent of victimizations against nonstudents. The majority of student (56 percent) and nonstudent (52 percent) victims experienced attempted rape or other sexual assault."

You would be right to say that non-students are more at risk based on this data, and if that's the only point you're trying to make then I apologize. I'm reading this expecting you to disagree with the idea there's a rape epidemic and rape education is important, but maybe I'm wrong...? Again, I apologize if I am. But I wouldn't expect someone to say they like Ben Shapiro for what he says about the 'plague' of 'social justice warriors', then agree with one of their big talking points that's garnered some of the hate.
Though if you are, I'd like to draw attention to this part: "Rape and sexual assault victimizations were more likely to go unreported to police among victims who were college students (80 percent) than nonstudents (67 percent)." I agree that they would need to account for these examples, but this still shows that the data for student sexual assault and rape is harder to gather than nonstudents.

 

[Bacon is fluffy]

I like him. I think it's humorous how the sillier left wing people accuse him of being a neo-Nazi considering he's a Jew.

Like him or not, that's just lacking awareness.

 

[Bacon is fluffy]

I apologize for the wall of text. It's what I commonly do.

Might want to format it so it doesn't look like you threw up on your screen.

Just because an adult man claims to be a woman, doesn't make them a woman." This is not transgenderism. Being transgender is not when a man literally believes they are a woman. If you think it is that, I would love to know what your answer is for "Then why do they get surgery to be more like a woman?" Billy thinks he is a woman, Billy gets surgery because he's not a woman. Bit of an issue there.
I'll respond to the statistics part in your quote below, because I think the link you provided is meant to support this bit.

Before you start off on a different tangent, clarify what your definition of being transgender is then.Generally when making a response in this manner, your job is to correctly in your opinion, define it and then press back with your own argument.

As for kindergartners learning about dysphoria, why is that an issue? They're learning about a mental disorder that some people have.

Transgender reveal in kindergarten class leaves parents feeling "betrayed" - CBS News

Keep in mind, this is coming from the leftist media. If the left can't give this a good spin, then no one can. The idea of teaching a child who hasn't ever asked about not being their biological gender, is like teaching them about putting a penis into the vagina for having sex. Or teaching them the joys of alternative sex options. They're simply not ready for this yet. Adults in the real world are arguing about this topic and are fighting tooth and nail to find the truth. Yet you want to poison a 5 year old's mind with this kind of nonsense? A 5 year old is not trained to deal with complex matters of identity. They can barely tie their own shoes. So when you put the idea into an innocent child's head that they might not be their biological sex, it can cause chaos in their lives. Undue chaos from the confusion about a topic that is not relevant to the majority of the population.

Gender: The combination of traditional (or cultural) masculine traits and feminine traits. Does not make claims on biology.
Identity: How one sees themselves regarding biological sex. "I identify as a woman," or "I identify as a man" being most common. 'Isn't that the one above?' Possibly, but this thing may be biological. See, what's being assumed is that we learn to identify as the sex we have over time, but it might be something we are born to have right away.
Biological sex: Chromosomes, hormonal profiles, internal and external sex organs.
And gender is commonly used interchangeably with biological sex. It's a confusing discussion, especially when someone is lobbing all of it together. So are you against kindergartners learning about the alternate genders? Alternate biological sexes? Unorthodox identities?

These are definitions put out by social justice warriors. Gender is not a social construct. However what I'm not understanding is how these sjw definitions put out by colleges, are relevant to the conversation.

No. Gender disphoria is not the same thing as transgenderism. Gender disphoria is a disgust or discomfort one has for their bodies, but transgenderism is the alternate identity causing behaviour and presentation. The former is what causes treatments to happen, whereas for the latter it is possible for someone to just roll with it. I think transsexuality is essentially a transgender person who is uncomfortable with their bodies, most likely also having gender disphoria.

Here you go with the I think. Unless someone is trying to pull a stunt by mutilating their bodies to change their sex, gender dysphoria can lead to being transgender. It's just the logical train of thought as any normal person with no heavy baggage(see example with those children) doesn't have a desire to change their sex.

I didn't say lumping it with schizophrenia is an insult. I used it to further the claim that he thinks transgenderism is when someone literally believes they are a sex they are not. Gender disphoria alone shows this is false.

I don't get it. Why would a man chop his dick off for a fake vagina? Why would a woman mutilate her vagina to have a fake penis, if neither is related?

I'm talking about making a conclusion on misunderstanding the situation" specifically to point out that I'm not disagreeing with him because I think he's being mean. I disagreed with him on the grounds that transgenderism is not a delusion.
final note, if you think it's all a mess of confusing BS then fine. Hell, it IS confusing. It's a jumble of claims on society, biology, psychology all with a common lack of understanding in the discussion making discourse like trying to fit your dick through a cheerio - Painful and difficult. However, despite what you may feel about it, none of this stuff describes a delusion. Hell, even if transgenderism were a mental disorder it still would not be a delusion. Hence why I think Ben Shapiro is factually wrong when he calls it such, and why I think it's fair to condemn him for dedicating talks on it with such a presentation.

You're the one trying to make it confusing lol. Your presentation and arguments don't even make sense. It's just a jumble of words on a page, that I've tried to the best of my ability, to respond to.

Meaning that if there's another interpretation, it doesn't narrow down to the treatments causing suicide. Issue is, those who are suffering from gender disphoria are more likely to get treatment... duh. But those with gender disphoria are also more likely to attempt suicide, because it's a mental disorder which causes discomfort.

Can you please quote and separate what you're trying to say from what others have said? This was just me skimming the article really fast to present a statistic(just 1) on suicide rates in transgender people. If you want, you're free to refute it with other peer reviewed journal articles on the topic of suicidal tendencies in people who made the switch, vs those who didn't. What the point of that link is to illuminate an argument shapiro has made about the actual downsides to transgenderism and it was actually supported with research. Something you claim to have been wary about when it comes to public speakers, because they dont have access to their research while speaking in Q and A's.

In fact, the quote you mention supports the idea of transgender people being more suicidal, not less. But again, you're free to actually refute my arguments instead of latching onto my wording and trying to technically subvert my post. The reasons for that article are to illustrate a trend for suicidal tendencies of the transgender people in the study. Also we should clear something up. This doesn't have anything to do with gender dysphoria. Those people aren't more suicidal. It's the people who literally undergo treatment to destroy their bodies.

I'm sorry, but I really have to be honest - I have no idea what you're trying to do here.

Are you serious? Are you really not able to follow along with anything or are you what rp'ers are afraid of around here?(illiterate) The claims I've been making is we don't have a rape culture. Rape is down in the us compared to decades past. And more importantly, college campus women are less likely to be raped, than women outside of the campus. The point wasn't to say there's no more rape in america. The point was to illustrate just how low of a number of rapes there actually are in a supposedly rapist country.

8.8 women out of 1000 is .0088 percent women get raped on average. That's too high since it's not zero,but isn't an indication of a rape culture.

"Rape and sexual assault victimizations were more likely to go unreported to police among victims who were college students (80 percent)

80 percent of 8 women is 6.4. That's nowhere near even 1 percent of women per 1000.

No apologies on my part.

edit: I was wrong. 14/1000 is 1.4%. mah bad. RAPE CULTURE

 

[Project Naiad]

 

[Hall Kervean]

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Same on this one.

 

[Midnightchan123]

Just addressing the sexual assault/rape, when it comes down to it, the majority of women and men dont report it because of how difficult it can be to prove since it's more likely to happen with a friend or someone you trust or a coworker, who would believe that your grandparent forced you or an aunt or uncle? Or the it person fixing your desktop? These are people society inherantly trusts and looks to for something for one reason or another, so it's harder to disprove, especially if theres someone higherup who has their side vs yours.

In the end, unless you go and get a rape kit, have some form of video or audio proof, a crapton of witnesses, act /exactly/ like a victim would and other people who have been victimised by the same person, it's hard to get a conviction, even harder to get them in jail, and you have to go over every single detail over and over for months, reliving it all the time to police, jurors, therapists, family and friends on both sides, and most likely the media a few times aswell, you will forever be known as a rape victim by anyone who hasnt been raped or a survivor by someone who understands and who would want to go through their life with that constantly hanging over their head?it's even worse if you step foreward and that person gets cleared of all accusations because of something trivial like you posted something sexual once about something like bdsm or you were caught being friendly to them once....or even if your a pro choice supporter or been sexually active with someone else.

In the end, victims get dicked over so often that it's not always worth coming foreward about what happened especially victims that are male.

 

[Project Naiad]

I completely agree. On a matter such as this, statistics can't really be trusted.

 

[Midnightchan123]

Just addressing the sexual assault/rape, when it comes down to it, the majority of women and men dont report it because of how difficult it can be to prove since it's more likely to happen with a friend or someone you trust or a coworker, who would believe that your grandparent forced you or an aunt or uncle? Or the it person fixing your desktop? These are people society inherantly trusts and looks to for something for one reason or another, so it's harder to disprove, especially if theres someone higherup who has their side vs yours.

In the end, unless you go and get a rape kit, have some form of video or audio proof, a crapton of witnesses, act /exactly/ like a victim would and other people who have been victimised by the same person, it's hard to get a conviction, even harder to get them in jail, and you have to go over every single detail over and over for months, reliving it all the time to police, jurors, therapists, family and friends on both sides, and most likely the media a few times aswell, you will forever be known as a rape victim by anyone who hasnt been raped or a survivor by someone who understands and who would want to go through their life with that constantly hanging over their head?it's even worse if you step foreward and that person gets cleared of all accusations because of something trivial like you posted something sexual once about something like bdsm or you were caught being friendly to them once....or even if your a pro choice supporter or been sexually active with someone else.

In the end, victims get dicked over so often that it's not always worth coming foreward about what happened especially victims that are male.

Before I forget, I will post links to different things as proof after work (so sometime tomorrow)

 

[Bacon is fluffy]

Just addressing the sexual assault/rape, when it comes down to it, the majority of women and men dont report it because of how difficult it can be to prove since it's more likely to happen with a friend or someone you trust or a coworker, who would believe that your grandparent forced you or an aunt or uncle? Or the it person fixing your desktop? These are people society inherantly trusts and looks to for something for one reason or another, so it's harder to disprove, especially if theres someone higherup who has their side vs yours.

So you're advocating the notion that the nation is a nation of rapists without proof? It is true that you should in fact, be skeptical of any statistic. However if theres no proof of a rape, you should in fact be equally skeptical. Lest we devolve into a society where we punish people based on what others claims because it's unsafe to ask for proof. -think salem witch trials, or mcarthyism- America is statistically safer now than it was 40 years ago. If you're going to make a claim that most men and women don't report it, then you better have some proof to back it up.

In the end, unless you go and get a rape kit

Which is totally worth it if you were just forcefullly fucked. All you need to do is call the police and I'm sure the police would actually oblige you and give you one themselves. That's their job, to get the bottom of it if there's a rape.

On the note of non report, we should be advocating for people to report it every. Single. Time. But the notion of believing in a rape culture based on nothing is just mass hysteria. Your feelings have no place on the subject of the state of the nation.

 

[Midnightchan123]

So you're advocating the notion that the nation is a nation of rapists without proof? It is true that you should in fact, be skeptical of any statistic. However if theres no proof of a rape, you should in fact be equally skeptical. Lest we devolve into a society where we punish people based on what others claims because it's unsafe to ask for proof. -think salem witch trials, or mcarthyism- America is statistically safer now than it was 40 years ago. If you're going to make a claim that most men and women don't report it, then you better have some proof to back it up.


Which is totally worth it if you were just forcefullly fucked. All you need to do is call the police and I'm sure the police would actually oblige you and give you one themselves. That's their job, to get the bottom of it if there's a rape.

On the note of non report, we should be advocating for people to report it every. Single. Time. But the notion of believing in a rape culture based on nothing is just mass hysteria. Your feelings have no place on the subject of the state of the nation.

I'm not advocating the notion that we are a rapist nation, I'm just pointing out why we have issue with rapes and under reporting, because statistically, it's someone you know and trust, there is a rape coulture that happens, just go up to a group of guys and point out a hot woman, how many of them are going to start talking about t and a vs someone calling them out on it that isint lgbt or another woman?

As I said in my last post, I'll get more information tomorrow, theres a lot of it too if I can find it all.

 

[Bacon is fluffy]

I'm not advocating the notion that we are a rapist nation, I'm just pointing out why we have issue with rapes and under reporting, because statistically, it's someone you know and trust, there is a rape coulture that happens, just go up to a group of guys and point out a hot woman, how many of them are going to start talking about t and a vs someone calling them out on it that isint lgbt or another woman?

As I said in my last post, I'll get more information tomorrow, theres a lot of it too if I can find it all.

We'll see what you come up with tomorrow. I'll reserve further judgement until you've actually posted your facts, stats, and anything else you find relevant on the topic. If it's more belief, then you can keep it.

 

[Midnightchan123]

We'll see what you come up with tomorrow. I'll reserve further judgement until you've actually posted your facts, stats, and anything else you find relevant on the topic. If it's more belief, then you can keep it.

To whet your appetite, some personal stuff: guy I kinda knew online and I were flirting a little and he was pissed that I didnt want to go on a date with him after talking for half a day, I wasn't of age just yet though, he just thought I owed it to him to go despite that fact just because he was nice, another online friend tried to get me to do something nasty, I've recieved countless sexual messages on many websites that were unwanted and they knew, a few guys trying to threaten me because I wouldnt be their sub so on and so forth. The worst one was where I went to the park once when I was 12-13 and this guy wanted to do weird things....guess what? He was the only person ever to approach me like that that I didnt know anything about.

 

[Bacon is fluffy]

To whet your appetite, some personal stuff: guy I kinda knew online and I were flirting a little and he was pissed that I didnt want to go on a date with him after talking for half a day, I wasn't of age just yet though, he just thought I owed it to him to go despite that fact just because he was nice, another online friend tried to get me to do something nasty, I've recieved countless sexual messages on many websites that were unwanted and they knew, a few guys trying to threaten me because I wouldnt be their sub so on and so forth. The worst one was where I went to the park once when I was 12-13 and this guy wanted to do weird things....guess what? He was the only person ever to approach me like that that I didnt know anything about.

Well let's go through a few things.

One people are scum on the internet. Good for you, for not going out with that wierdo online. Keep your being a girl secret online, there's a lot of neckbeards who think it's special that a girl is using an internet site. And glad you didn't get attacked if that's the case. However, how is any of this relevant to the topic? You bring up rude remarks on the internet and a bunch of stories, as opposed to real facts. If this is what's to come tommorow, then I think you should just post what you have to say. However, what you have to say won't have any relevance to the conversation.

Because as sad as it sounds, these are all unverifiable claims. Meant to spawn mistrust and fear based on heresay.

 

[MrBossMan]

Ben is the man.

I agree with damn near everything he says. I reckon one could lump me into the conservative bracket though. The one thing I don't really agree with him on is the no sex before marriage proposal he claims is better. I don't really agree with that but then again I do agree that if everyone practiced abstinence then the world would be a better place. In my opinion at least. No STDs, fewer accidental pregnancies, better values and so on so forth.

But ya I love the guy. He's awesome.

 

[Bacon is fluffy]

Ben is the man.

I agree with damn near everything he says. I reckon one could lump me into the conservative bracket though. The one thing I don't really agree with him on is the no sex before marriage proposal he claims is better. I don't really agree with that but then again I do agree that if everyone practiced abstinence then the world would be a better place. In my opinion at least. No STDs, fewer accidental pregnancies, better values and so on so forth.

But ya I love the guy. He's awesome.

I strongly disagree with his stance on abortion and sex in general, but do get curious whenever he states statistics about marriage and income.

But for the most part, I am not strongly right leaning. We agree on meritocracy, fact finding, and less government = better for the economy. But for values? We differ vastly on a number of issues.

But I love the guy. He’s a breath of fresh air because he’s respectful as he’s beating you down with facts and research

 

[Lorsh]

he's pretty good

 

[Angel_Crossroads]

I have legit been addicted to his videos lately. I love his videos on arguing with the left, namely about institutional rascisim (I'm black so it helped me build arguments based on statistics and fact), abortion, and the sjw movement. He's a cool guy, I just wish he'd find someone who's just as intelligent, but on the other side of the argument who'd be willing to debate him. It would be very interesting to see. if that does exist I need to know about it, please!