Mature content in PMs/Section for Mature Content

[Artificial Sugar]

So I do 100% understand that mature content isn't allowed, especially not in threads where anyone can see it.
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I know that there are a lot of children on this site, so I completely agree with that requirement.
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However, there are also a lot of adults, 18 and older, who role play here too.
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I understand that role playing mature scenes with someone who's under 18 (if you're over 18) is wrong, but, I think that mature content should be allowed in PMs with parties who are all 18 and over. 
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It would be much more convient than taking mature scenes to another site or Email, which I never check.
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If not PMs within the same age range, why not a specific section for adults? I understand that mature scenes are not the focus of the website, but I feel very restricted within the PG-13 rating allowed. Another site I role play on has regular role play, a place where teens can do mature scenes, and a place where adults can do mature stuff.
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I understand that I may be the only one who's interested in this, but I don't believe so.
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It's just a suggestion/question, not trying to make drama or get anyone angry.
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[The Dark Wizard]

Another site I role play on has regular role play, a place where teens can do mature scenes, and a place where adults can do mature stuff.

The way Iwaku and other sites does it is not legal. Teens are not allowed to do mature stuff together just as they can't give consent in real life to have sex with each other. All it will take is one compliant on the right day to their host to get all those sites shut down.


Also we don't have anyway to enforce or verify ages. This is just something we have never done and don't have any intentions of doing in the future. It is also not allowed to be done over PMs or any where on the site. 

 

[folclor]

Hey, I have a slightly different question that still pertains to mature content (not erotic RP).


There are times in some RPs I've been in where I want to do a torture scene or something similar.  I've stayed away from writing it out in detail on site (either skipping over or going to IM or email) because I wasn't sure if it's okay.  Is that, as well, prohibited? (talking about torture, gory fight scenes, etc)

 

[B E E S]

I can see why it would be appealing, and if everyone didn't lie about their actual age, I think it would actually be a pretty great idea, although unfortunately that isn't the case. There's no real way for the moderators and administrators to know someone's real age, and while many people my age (I'm 16) have stopped lying about how old they are online, I know that a lot of younger people who are around 12-14 do, simply because they are taught not to disclose their actual age over the internet. Due to this, it would allow minors access to the mature part of the site because they may have instead registered as 18. It can also be a problem because around 12-14 is when kids start to get curious about mature subject matter, and may decide to explore through roleplaying. This could then lead to the problem of say a 20 something year old writing up an explicit scene with say a 14 year old and not knowing it, and then later on getting into a lot of legal trouble. It could also cause legal trouble for the site, so overall while good in theory, unfortunately in practice it would not work out. 

 

[The Dark Wizard]

Hey, I have a slightly different question that still pertains to mature content (not erotic RP).


There are times in some RPs I've been in where I want to do a torture scene or something similar.  I've stayed away from writing it out in detail on site (either skipping over or going to IM or email) because I wasn't sure if it's okay.  Is that, as well, prohibited? (talking about torture, gory fight scenes, etc)

The site isn't pg13, thats a common misconception. We just don't allow Erotic Content. Violence and such is fine as long as its not extreme gore but only one person has ever been able to break that rule in the past 10 years and they were a professional horror writer who is published.

 

[Artificial Sugar]

@Caru You're right. I did think about that, I know a lot of people lie about their age, of course. It's just a really frustrating situation all over. 

 

[folclor]

The site isn't pg13, thats a common misconception. We just don't allow Erotic Content. Violence and such is fine as long as its not extreme gore but only one person has ever been able to break that rule in the past 10 years and they were a professional horror writer who is published.

Oh sweet ^^ thank you!

 

[B E E S]

@Ursarion


Yeah, I can imagine. For me it's the opposite since I would want to join a roleplay but it would be 18+. If you are looking for a place to roleplay mature content, tumblr last I checked is really good for it, and honestly the plots are really interesting (it's not all erotic n stuff). 

 

[Ganta]

I only spoke of writing, not images, when it came to erotic literature and taken into a private messenger, and of course gore in details. But images, people aren't ready to see that yet. If they are under the age 18 and haven't experience that content in their lives yet, or just highly sensitive to that material.

 

[Fus ro dah]

There are 18+ rp sites for adult RPs, just gotta follow the RPN rules

 

[Stickdom]

The site isn't pg13, thats a common misconception. We just don't allow Erotic Content. Violence and such is fine as long as its not extreme gore but only one person has ever been able to break that rule in the past 10 years and they were a professional horror writer who is published.

Would totally be interested in knowing who said author was and how to get ahold of their content }


The plain and simple fact about erotic content is that it just has no place in a community where the age ranges so widely with absolutely no verification whatsoever. When I first joined the site several years ago, I very carefully read the rules and part of the reason I have made this site my sole home for writing is because of the rules that they have in place. All content is monitored extraordinarily well, and their limits are not at all restricting to creativity, they simply require a fade-to-black in cases where it might be something which younger readers should not be exposed to at their ages. If those rules weren't in place, I would have never joined this site and certainly never recommended it to several friends/family members who are fantastic writers. It's simply best to leave some things to the imagination, if even allowed to be taken that far, for the mental safety of the young and innocent as well as the legal protection of this site and its members. It would be a shame if this got shut down from one member's fantasies being too graphic or involved, it would totally remove this resource from being accessible to the thousands of others who have done so well staying away from such content and keeping their roleplays clean and age-range friendly.


I am an unpaid media entity for the general public community of RPnation, and I approve this message. ()-b

 

[Artificial Sugar]

There are 18+ rp sites for adult RPs, just gotta follow the RPN rules

I have no problem following the RPN rules.... I just know that this is more active for some people, so I thought it would be nice to add an adult section.

 

[Fus ro dah]

I've seen this asked for for years, that's why I play on a few sites that have different allowances.

 

[DuckPrince]

mental safety of the young and innocent

it might sound pointless or plain stupid but at some point even the 'young and innocent' learn about it. considering 8th graders learn about it in school(at least the standard thing anyway. the ed and so on). (personal opinion, probably shouldn't bring it in here and all, i'm not trying to start anything though. sorry ^^')

 

[theskylarksings]

I only spoke of writing, not images, when it came to erotic literature and taken into a private messenger, and of course gore in details. But images, people aren't ready to see that yet. If they are under the age 18 and haven't experience that content in their lives yet, or just highly sensitive to that material.

I'm glad you brought that up, because for me, sex and erotica is kind of squicky. I don't mind the kissing and such, but once it gets into smutty territory it grosses me out. Even if I were to avoid areas with mature ratings it would come up occasionally. I have had people in the past attempt to initiate scenes like this even after we had agreed we would not play it. (Not on this site, thank God.) People tend to label you a prude who needs to "learn to live a little." And honestly everyone's lifestyle ought to be protected, whether it's for squicky reasons, or religious reasons, or any reason under the sun. So if there's no way to securely tie down where and when the porn comes out, I am all for keeping it private and off-site. 

 

[rennuelaw]

Lol i'm considered innocent *scoffs *

 

[theskylarksings]

So I do 100% understand that mature content isn't allowed, especially not in threads where anyone can see it.
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I know that there are a lot of children on this site, so I completely agree with that requirement.
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However, there are also a lot of adults, 18 and older, who role play here too.
​

I understand that role playing mature scenes with someone who's under 18 (if you're over 18) is wrong, but, I think that mature content should be allowed in PMs with parties who are all 18 and over. 
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It would be much more convient than taking mature scenes to another site or Email, which I never check.
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If not PMs within the same age range, why not a specific section for adults? I understand that mature scenes are not the focus of the website, but I feel very restricted within the PG-13 rating allowed. Another site I role play on has regular role play, a place where teens can do mature scenes, and a place where adults can do mature stuff.
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I understand that I may be the only one who's interested in this, but I don't believe so.
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It's just a suggestion/question, not trying to make drama or get anyone angry.
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Hey, this is totally unrelated, but what color are you using here? I love it. 

 

[Artificial Sugar]

I'm using teal!

 

[Kiseichu]

it might sound pointless or plain stupid but at some point even the 'young and innocent' learn about it. considering 8th graders learn about it in school(at least the standard thing anyway. the ed and so on). (personal opinion, probably shouldn't bring it in here and all, i'm not trying to start anything though. sorry ^^')

If you take a look at an American middle school boy's brain, you'll see a certain thought pop up every three seconds. You know what that thought is.

 

[DuckPrince]

If you take a look at an American middle school boy's brain, you'll see a certain thought pop up every three seconds. You know what that thought is.

definitely. though they know about things like that probably a bit earlier than middle school. literally heard a bunch of 10-12 year olds talk about something along the lines of mature. be it nothing severely explicit but still. even I knew about it before I was 11 (might be just me though. i never was in the standard norm....)

 

[rennuelaw]

definitely. though they know about things like that probably a bit earlier than middle school. literally heard a bunch of 10-12 year olds talk about something along the lines of mature. be it nothing severely explicit but still. even I knew about it before I was 11 (might be just me though. i never was in the standard norm....)

I knew all lot about mature and explict (I'm virgin though worry) by the time i was 8.

 

[welian]

Going back to the topic at had, allowing minors to host an exchange explicit material (written or otherwise) is a federal offense of hosting/distributing child pornography. RpNation does not have the ability, as a volunteer-run and donation-funded site, to put into place the kind of measures required to verify a user's age. Therefore, without the ability to discern the true ages of users, there is no way to deploy an adult section.


This leaves everyone with three options:

1. Follow the site's terms of service and do not post sexually explicit material
   
2. Leave RPN and go to another site that has a different terms of service
   
3. Ignore the terms of service and post erotic content, thereby potentially breaking federal laws and putting the entire site at risk of being shut down by the FBI and the entire staff team placed on the sex offender registry.
   

Take a wild guess at which one we suggest.

 

[kibou]

Additionally if you are an adult and end up erping or sending any other sort of sexually explicit content to a member who is a minor, whether they're lying about being an adult or not you'd be exposing a child to pornography/obscene material, which is a crime. Some states have other general laws too that cover harming children in more broad ways.


So it's not just the staff that could get into trouble, it's the people rping in pms too. All it really takes is your partner mentioning something to a friend, family member, etc; or their parents going through their browsing history/monitoring their internet usage and finding the content you're writing with them, among other things. If they report it to the police/fbi, you could be in serious trouble and be registered as a sex offender. Even if you're not an adult either, the older person could still get in some legal trouble. 


If you don't care about our site and staff getting into trouble, it's not just us at risk. And like dwiz said, the sites that do knowingly allow both erotic content and minors on their site are at legal risk, even if they keep it between different age groups. There's a reason pretty much every other site with explicit content requires you to verify that you're 18 and not "click here if you're a minor and click here if you're an adult." 

 

[Kiseichu]

Not all of us live in the U.S. you know.

 

[The Dark Wizard]

Not all of us live in the U.S. you know.

It only matters where I and the servers are located for this kind of stuff. I have to follow those laws and rules.