Other Pro Life or Pro Choice?

[Elise Ebele]

There was a point in my life where I could have an uncivil conversation about this for days but I guess its true what they say about age.....

I’m verey hard core pro-life. People pick at me ‘cause im studying to be a school teacher and I really want kids and I just love love babies ‘cause they’re cute as heeeeell.

But despite all that I still think abortion is murder. I dont say it to label people but I believe it to be true. A lot of times people would ask me if I cared for woman’s rights and the answer is yes. But quite frankly I care about the baby’s rights far more. And it’s not even a question of rights. I dont think any baby is an accident. In those 9 to 10 months a baby is in your body it is totally relying on the mom, and as the only person the baby can rely on, you have betrayed it by aborting it.

I was watching this episode of Maury with my mom once and the baby daddy was like 16. And he was angry because the girl wanted him to take care of their kid and he argued that he had the right to a high school education and his life. Which, I can agree with that. BUT the moment you open your legs I think you forfeit the right to think about your self and you petty rights first. Sex comes with big responsibilities, even if you dont make a baby.


And then there is the question of rape, which I totally simpatize with. Like, if some fat, smelly, ugly good-for-nothing raped me and I got pregnant I would be so angry. Cause firstly my kid would have no dad. And then I’ve already got a name picked out for my first kid so if I had to honor this man’s bloodline with my wonderful name I might actually be bitter. And those are just the petty reasons. Realistically, I would like to plan for a baby cause teachers dont make high money. And I would need to baby proof my house. And dont even get me started not he lack of maternity leave. Plus as much as I would love a kid right now, I want to finish my education first so I can focus on my kid when it comes. I’m just not ready for a kid.

But I still wouldn’t kill it. i know my family would rally around me to make it work. And even if not, I think a baby is still a person.

Now the hardest question of under aged pregnancies. My brother has a friend who had a baby at 12 or 13 because her bf was abusive and raped her. And he actually told me her bf’s big brother raped her this year and the poor baby is pregnant again. She not even 16 yet. And my heart goes out to her because she is such a sweet girl, despite how much she has been through. First of all I want those boys to go to jail but there’s nothing I can do. But I would never tell her to kill her baby. It’s just not something I believe is right.

 

[Slav]

There was a point in my life where I could have an uncivil conversation about this for days but I guess its true what they say about age.....

I’m verey hard core pro-life. People pick at me ‘cause im studying to be a school teacher and I really want kids and I just love love babies ‘cause they’re cute as heeeeell.

But despite all that I still think abortion is murder. I dont say it to label people but I believe it to be true. A lot of times people would ask me if I cared for woman’s rights and the answer is yes. But quite frankly I care about the baby’s rights far more. And it’s not even a question of rights. I dont think any baby is an accident. In those 9 to 10 months a baby is in your body it is totally relying on the mom, and as the only person the baby can rely on, you have betrayed it by aborting it.

I was watching this episode of Maury with my mom once and the baby daddy was like 16. And he was angry because the girl wanted him to take care of their kid and he argued that he had the right to a high school education and his life. Which, I can agree with that. BUT the moment you open your legs I think you forfeit the right to think about your self and you petty rights first. Sex comes with big responsibilities, even if you dont make a baby.


And then there is the question of rape, which I totally simpatize with. Like, if some fat, smelly, ugly good-for-nothing raped me and I got pregnant I would be so angry. Cause firstly my kid would have no dad. And then I’ve already got a name picked out for my first kid so if I had to honor this man’s bloodline with my wonderful name I might actually be bitter. And those are just the petty reasons. Realistically, I would like to plan for a baby cause teachers dont make high money. And I would need to baby proof my house. And dont even get me started not he lack of maternity leave. Plus as much as I would love a kid right now, I want to finish my education first so I can focus on my kid when it comes. I’m just not ready for a kid.

But I still wouldn’t kill it. i know my family would rally around me to make it work. And even if not, I think a baby is still a person.

Now the hardest question of under aged pregnancies. My brother has a friend who had a baby at 12 or 13 because her bf was abusive and raped her. And he actually told me her bf’s big brother raped her this year and the poor baby is pregnant again. She not even 16 yet. And my heart goes out to her because she is such a sweet girl, despite how much she has been through. First of all I want those boys to go to jail but there’s nothing I can do. But I would never tell her to kill her baby. It’s just not something I believe is right.

I wouldn't say abortion is murder, murder is the unlawful killing of another human being without a valid excuse or justification. Abortion isn't the unlawful killing of child since it isn't even a child yet. Maybe in the fetus's later development it can easily be recognized as a human but in it's early stages, it simply is not. That's why if we are going to have abortion legal, it should be legal til you hit that 4 month mark. After that, you should have gotten it when you could. I'm definitely not a huge supporter of abortion but when it comes down to it, I think a person should have control of their body and if a person wants an abortion let them. It's not harming you in anyway, they're taking the burden of it and they know the consequences that may come with it.

 

[Elise Ebele]

I wouldn't say abortion is murder, murder is the unlawful killing of another human being without a valid excuse or justification. Abortion isn't the unlawful killing of child since it isn't even a child yet. Maybe in the fetus's later development it can easily be recognized as a human but in it's early stages, it simply is not. That's why if we are going to have abortion legal, it should be legal til you hit that 4 month mark. After that, you should have gotten it when you could. I'm definitely not a huge supporter of abortion but when it comes down to it, I think a person should have control of their body and if a person wants an abortion let them. It's not harming you in anyway, they're taking the burden of it and they know the consequences that may come with it.

I know that the main reason my reasoning differs from yours and most other people’s is because of our opinion of when I fetus is a person. By the time it is 4 months along I say it is human and there is nothing you can say to change my opinion on that. You say a fetus that old is not a person, I say a person’s a person, no matter how small. I my self have never changed the opinion of any one on the internet on this fact, so I’m not trying to change yours.

But on a different note, you say murder is the unlawful killing. Setting aside current American government law, (I don’t actually know the abortion time limit laws but what ever) there is no lawful reason to kill an unborn child. It’s not like the fetus killed your father. It committed no crime, and to me, receiving the death penalty is the only reason one person should kill a nother. Not out of anger, not our of hate or revenge, and certainly not out of “I really dont want to be uncomfortable for the next few months.”

And lastly, dont you think a baby should have a say so in what happens to their baby? Just because it cant talk or do any thing on it’s own doesn’t mean it doesn’t care to live.

 

[catburglar]

And lastly, dont you think a baby should have a say so in what happens to their baby? Just because it cant talk or do any thing on it’s own doesn’t mean it doesn’t care to live.

I'm not super clear what you mean by this, could you elaborate? A fetus is incapable of any form of complex thought. As far as I'm concerned they reply to stimulus, and that's about it. And even then I'm talking relatively late in the pregnancy where abortion is illegal (I think the average limit is 4 months).

 

[Elise Ebele]

I'm not super clear what you mean by this, could you elaborate? A fetus is incapable of any form of complex thought. As far as I'm concerned they reply to stimulus, and that's about it. And even then I'm talking relatively late in the pregnancy where abortion is illegal (I think the average limit is 4 months).

Well to clear up I meant to type that an unborn child should have a say it what happens to their body, but my key board has been acting up for a few days...

But quite frankly I dont care how elaborate a thought a fetus can have. That does not define life. There are plenty of grown people who cant form a decent thought worth nothing but that doesn’t mean I can just go kill them.

According to developmental scicologists, which I have spent more time the last few years than I really care for studying, most normal children dont start forming lasting memories until they are almost 3. Should it then be legal to kill children under 3? Perhaps little Jimmy cried when he fell and is making his mother uncomfortable. I suppose she should just kill him? And what about the exceptions to the rules? Personally my earliest memory is from when I was younger than a month. If some one had decided they didn’t want me, and I was too young to be human, they would have just violated their standards for being human with out realizing it.

You know there was a point in time not too terribly long ago where people believed children with Autism were not human beings, that they couldn’t feel pain, and that they didn’t have feelings? Doctors were perform painful procedures on these kids with out any pain nummers because “Oh they cant really feel pain” and mothers would ignore them because “Oh he’s not actually a person.”

But look where we are now. Maybe the world will move in that direction for the unborn child.. perhaps not. It’s sad.

But as for as im concerned, an abortion is nothing shy of the snuffing out of a preaseous life that could have been.

 

[catburglar]

Alright, a few things:

But quite frankly I dont care how elaborate a thought a fetus can have. That does not define life. There are plenty of grown people who cant form a decent thought worth nothing but that doesn’t mean I can just go kill them.

What do you define as life? I don't define life as being capable of thought processes, but I get the feeling our definitions are different. A small clarification I would also like to make is that a fetus is incapable of any thought, never mind an embryo. I don't know why I specified complex thought.

There are plenty of grown people who cant form a decent thought worth nothing but that doesn’t mean I can just go kill them.

No, you obviously should not kill them as that is immoral. We can both agree on that. That being said, our difference as to when life begins is different for you and me, so there isn't much I can say on that front.

Perhaps little Jimmy cried when he fell and is making his mother uncomfortable. I suppose she should just kill him? And what about the exceptions to the rules? Personally my earliest memory is from when I was younger than a month. If some one had decided they didn’t want me, and I was too young to be human, they would have just violated their standards for being human with out realizing it.

So, you're saying that surgically removing a barely developed fetus, perhaps even a cluster of cells depending on how early the pregnancy, is the exact same thing as killing a 3 year old child in cold blood? I don't see the correlation. If I'm missing something, please let me know.

Also, nobody said anything about determining an age where someone is human. I don't understand the "standards of being human", either.

You know there was a point in time not too terribly long ago where people believed children with Autism were not human beings, that they couldn’t feel pain, and that they didn’t have feelings? Doctors were perform painful procedures on these kids with out any pain nummers because “Oh they cant really feel pain” and mothers would ignore them because “Oh he’s not actually a person.”

I'm not going to sit here and say that wasn't an atrocious thing that happened. It was horrible. Did you know that before abortion became legal, women were shoving wires and/or pumping toxins into their body as a means to break the amniotic sac? Did you know that these horrors continue to happen in third world countries? Thousands of women die every year due to these unsafe procedures. Many more are hospitalised. My point is, abortions will happen regardless of whether you believe it is right or wrong. What I don't understand, and I would appreciate your input on this, is why we can't agree that women should be provided with a clean, and safe place to have the abortion performed knowing that abortions will happen anyway? Abortion isn't easy for anyone, both for the woman involved and everybody's personal thoughts on it. But I like to think that most humans have good intentions, and good hearts, and try to do what is best for themselves, their future, and those around them. It might not be what you agree with, but I don't think that warrants many women dying horribly simply because the proper care was not provided, or forcing a woman to go through with a pregnancy they don't want, giving birth to a baby who will then be put in a system or potentially live an unhappy life. I think that's really sad.

 

[Elise Ebele]

Alright, a few things:

What do you define as life? I don't define life as being capable of thought processes, but I get the feeling our definitions are different. A small clarification I would also like to make is that a fetus is incapable of any thought, never mind an embryo. I don't know why I specified complex thought.


No, you obviously should not kill them as that is immoral. We can both agree on that. That being said, our difference as to when life begins is different for you and me, so there isn't much I can say on that front.


So, you're saying that surgically removing a barely developed fetus, perhaps even a cluster of cells depending on how early the pregnancy, is the exact same thing as killing a 3 year old child in cold blood? I don't see the correlation. If I'm missing something, please let me know.

Also, nobody said anything about determining an age where someone is human. I don't understand the "standards of being human", either.


I'm not going to sit here and say that wasn't an atrocious thing that happened. It was horrible. Did you know that before abortion became legal, women were shoving wires and/or pumping toxins into their body as a means to break the amniotic sac? Did you know that these horrors continue to happen in third world countries? Thousands of women die every year due to these unsafe procedures. Many more are hospitalised. My point is, abortions will happen regardless of whether you believe it is right or wrong. What I don't understand, and I would appreciate your input on this, is why we can't agree that women should be provided with a clean, and safe place to have the abortion performed knowing that abortions will happen anyway? Abortion isn't easy for anyone, both for the woman involved and everybody's personal thoughts on it. But I like to think that most humans have good intentions, and good hearts, and try to do what is best for themselves, their future, and those around them. It might not be what you agree with, but I don't think that warrants many women dying horribly simply because the proper care was not provided, or forcing a woman to go through with a pregnancy they don't want, giving birth to a baby who will then be put in a system or potentially live an unhappy life. I think that's really sad.

I think it’s fine and inevitable that we have different opinions as to when life starts. I feel like it starts at the moment of conception, while there are people who believe it’s fine to abort a full-term baby. And because of my belief, I do believe that aborting an unborn child is the same as killing a 3yo. I believe that all life is precious and I’d love to live in a perfect world where no one gets hurt or has to go hungry. But I don’t.

As for women attempting unsafe abortions, I’m not too ashamed to admit I don’t care. If you kill your self trying to kill some one else I honestly couldn’t care less. Honestly, drink bleach. I trust by now you are starting to realize what I value more in the question of the mother or the unborn.

People kill peopl all the darn time.. especially Black people. Perhaps we should make gun violence legal now too? At least that way maybe the shooter wouldn’t die once the police show up. Perhaps that would make our black neighborhoods safer.

I’m not angry at you for having your opinion. That’s just mine

 

[catburglar]

Alright, this is starting to degenerate, and clearly straying away from the topic, so I'm not going to bother wasting my time replying to what you said. I'm not about inciting violence or self-harm. That's just vile.

 

[Elise Ebele]

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not for self harm either. I’ve been there and wouldn’t wish it on most of my enemies.
I’m just not going to feel pity for some one who would take a life.

 

[Catori]

Elise Ebele catburglar

I'm sorry to randomly interject, but I wanna stick in my opinion. Well. I agree with you for the most part, Elise, except when you say differing opinions on the beginning of life.

Deciding when life starts is not an opinion topic. You can't take a philosophical approach-- Oh, it doesn't have a heartbeat, it isn't life. It doesn't understand things, it isn't a life. Biology proves that life begins at conception. It's a scientific fact that can't be changed just because someone doesn't agree with it. Now you might say, it's not human. It's just a clump of cells. Then we'd have to define what makes someone human. You may think it's something abstract, like memories or feeling pain. Or heartbeat. But all you need to be human is human DNA. It's what makes you human. And cat DNA is what makes my cat a cat, frog DNA makes a frog a frog. This is true in every case because if you start deciding all these things that are required to make you human, you could justify the killing of people in comas. They may not have mental capacities, but they're no less human. They have human DNA. People with disabilities who are hooked up to machines, no less human just because they need help to stay alive. The value of your life isn't determined by how developed or capable you are. With proper technological advances, any baby that's been concieved could potentially survive outside the womb. We just don't have that technology yet. Once you start saying there are things other than DNA determining your humanbeing-ness, you get into the territory of slavery. Oh, he's not human because he's different than us, so he's just property now. His skin color is different, so he's just property. His DNA is what makes him human, not the colour of his skin.

And on that note, I have to agree that in the case of unsafe abortions, if the mother is willing to go to unsafe means to murder, I'm not sympathetic if she gets hurt. I hurt myself while I was trying to murder someone. So we should legalize murder so everyone else doesn't get hurt trying to murder. Besides the amount of women hurt in an abortion is no where close to the number of unborn who suffer as a result of any kind of abortion.

 

[UnusualYak]

Deciding when life starts is not an opinion topic.

Since there's no scientific consensus, it kind of is.

 

[Catori]

UnusualYak
Okay, I can understand what you're getting at. I probably shouldn't have said it's not an opinion topic so abrubtly. People have all kinds of opinions on it... But really it's best to look at the facts. I should've done better research to begin with, because not every scientist agrees that life begins at conception. But facts point to it. And there's more proof to show that life begins at conception. than any other theory, because I sure am not seeing any prove that you suddenly become a human life once you have a heartbeat..

"That is to say, after that initial contact of spermatozoon and oocyte there is no subsequent moment or stage which is held in arbitration or abeyance by the mother, or the embryo or fetus. Nor is a second contribution, a signal or trigger, needed from the male in order to continue and complete development to birth. Human development is a continuum in which so-called stages overlap and blend one into another. Indeed, all of life is contained within a time continuum. Thus, the beginning of a new life is exacted by the beginning of fertilization, the reproductive event which is the essence of life.

Herein lies the importance of distinguishing between the science of developmental biology and the science of Human Embryology. Within the science of Human Embryology, the continuum of life is more fully appreciated. The fact that development and developmental principles do not cease with birth becomes more fully realized. So, the continuum of human development does not cease until death, whenever that may occur, in utero or at 100 years of age."

Life beginning at conception is a scientific fact. To deny it is to deny science. You look at the facts, not just the scientists opinions of the topic.

I'm sure you've heard this before: Scientists were to find a single-celled organism on Mars. It counts as life. So why doesn't a single-celled human considered a human life? And I'd like to clarify, you're not murdering babies every time a egg goes unfertilized. Yes, it may be alive, just like every other cell in the body, but it's not human because it doesn't have its own specific set of unique human DNA.

Okay, but let's say with all this you're still not convinced it's a life. So the scientists aren't sure, they can't come to an agreement, and they don't know. It's a very heavy topic, but let's say they just can't be sure life starts at conception. Would you not still try to save the life if you don't know whether it's an actual human life or not? If there's even the possibility that it's a life, why would you murder it?

 

[rae2nerdy]

Some resources for the pro-choice folks in the thread (and anyone else who wants to take a looksie)

First for talking to people of faith a site about pro-choice teachings in various religions.

Home


Next up a very moving and emotional story about a woman who had a late term abortion after finding out her child would be born with a potentially fatal brain defect. It does a good job of humanizing the process which might help when describing it to pro-birthers.

https://jezebel.com/later-abortion-a-love-story-1832631748


Got the notifications on this thread muted and I won’t respond to quotes. Just saw these while browsing my favorite blogs and thought I would share them with the folks of this thread.

 

[Catori]

rae2nerdy Regardless of whether you'll see this, I'll put my opinion anyway.

My stance on abortion isn't entirely based on religion, it's more facts and science based, but I'll still say this. Scanning through the first website, I saw how it tried to defend abortion via the bible. Since I'm Christian, I just looked through that part of the website. The does not actually allow abortion. It's lost in translation, or by lack of better wording. And honestly the ten commandments would override it anyway because it says "Don't murder". Y'know. I just can't understand how someone can simultaneously call themselves Christian and pro-abortion.

As for rhe second website, abortion wasn't necessary in that situation. It even says that the doctors were not sure how severe the defect would be. There was a wide range, but they don't know how severe it was because they ended his life before they knew. I know people who could have potentially been aborted because of potential birth defects. They were born fine. I know people who were born with birth defects and made the most of their life. Even though their life was short, they enjoyed it and were happy. It's horrific to say someone should die because there's a possibility their life will be terrible.

 

[WoefullyGiant]

I just can't understand how someone can simultaneously call themselves Christian and pro-abortion.

Well, as a Christian who happens to be pro-abortion the answer is pretty simple. It's only murder once the child is alive and I don't believe that life begins at conception.

Besides, I recall something about God killing the first born of every Egyptian family (and keep in mind Exodus 10:1) so I don't really see how one could argue that he is completely against killing.

 

[Catori]

WoefullyGiant

I've already provided many sources in previous posts that assert life beginning at conception, so I won't say much about that except science is on the side of life.

Perhaps I worded my point wrong. Or maybe not. My claim is that we're not supposed to murder (and that the bible doesn't encourage abortion), not that God is completely against killing.

I see what you're getting at; God has caused deaths. And killing. Like even Noah's ark. But we're humans, I don't see how we can be on the same level as God deciding who dies or not. In your examples, God's the one performing those acts. I don't believe we, as humans, can pick and choose who gets to stay alive or not.

 

[WoefullyGiant]

I've already provided many sources in previous posts that assert life beginning at conception, so I won't say much about that except science is on the side of life.

First of all, science can't agree on when life begins so claiming that it's on the side of life is factually incorrect. If that's the conclusion you draw after making your own research, that's fine but don't try and make it seems like science as a whole agrees with you.

Yes, there's some research that points towards life beginning at conception but there's just as much that points to the opposite.

My claim is that we're not supposed to murder (and that the bible doesn't encourage abortion), not that God is completely against killing.

My point was that God has shown that he clearly doesn't mind killing children without much justification so the notion that you can't be both a Christian and pro-choice because of "tho shall not kill" doesn't make much sense. But enough about that, I don't want to turn this into a discussion about religion.

 

[Figuratively]

The best quote regarding this subject is basically this, “The science has very little to do with the answer.". - Scott Gilbert. This is a cultural, moral, ethics issue which will never be resolved as much as debating will continue. I mean, back in medieval times fetuses were only considered alive when the mother could feel them moving. As we've learned more about the entire process of procreation there is still no definitive answer on any side; science, religion, culture, etc.

Catori I would say we're not here to debate the answer because there is no answer, but your posts are aiming in that direction to try to argue that your opinion is the correct one when even science hasn't decided truly when life begins because of how complicated the process of procreation is. The OP just wanted to know about the views of others which you clearly shared already.

 

[Jitterbug]

Pro-"not my life, not my business."

Also referenced as pro-"keeping my nose out of their business".​

 

[ZxGracexZ]

M1. Model: moral absolutism. Murder is evil. Partial truth.
- Brain does not start forming until Week 5.
- No way to disprove after that time frame
- Brings religion into government, risks creating a culture of political correctness through sophistry
M2. Model: utilitarianism. Kill some to save others. Partial truth.
- Technology is advancing
- Population will likely level out as consequences for children increase (i.e. tuition rates)
- The least useful people are raised in harsh environments
- Economic gain
- Possibility of facilitating eugenics
M3. Model: algorithmic modeling: impact. Trying to reduce opportunity cost. Partial truth.
- Abortion allowed in some cases.
- Not allowed in others
- Dependent on economic, socioeconomic, psychological, and moral factors
- Risk of creating SOCIAL CONTROL through Fabian shaping
M4. Ignorance is bliss.
- Keeps the issue going
- Makes it possible to solve if necessary
- Prevents Fabianism and eugenics
- Promotes Social Darwinism

I choose M4. I want the United States politicians to be incompetent and moderate as they should be. The risk of what it could lead to over time is too much. Trump is stupid and that is beautiful.

 

[A Thousand Rivers]

Pro Choice.

I wrote a lot of things and deleted a lot of things in the creation of this post. There is little argument to my part since they are all circumstantial and "moralled" people tend to think if you have sex and have a child, then deal with it. It's very rare and almost impossible now a days to retain innocence. A lot of relationships are supported with physical affection. Even if there are preventative steps to being pregnant, some accidents are prone to happen. To the cases of an unwanted child and being forced to keep it, even a more tragic story may unfold.

I say lay down the sentiments. My opinion may be irrelevant but that's alright. The matter of life is a delicate subject.

 

[Hige]

Very strongly adamantly pro-choice, even though I believe in a soul and (a) afterlife. (I'm not Christian)

 

[Jannah]

Pro-life for the most part. I used to be pretty indifferent about abortion, but then once I learned disability selective abortion was a thing I could no longer ignore the issue since it personally affects me and people I care about. I kind of went down the rabbit hole from there.

 

[Psyche]

As for women attempting unsafe abortions, I’m not too ashamed to admit I don’t care. If you kill your self trying to kill some one else I honestly couldn’t care less. Honestly, drink bleach. I trust by now you are starting to realize what I value more in the question of the mother or the unborn.

Okay- I apologize, but this annoys me. I don't truthfully care about people being pro-life or pro-choice. Your opinion, I respect that. I find it interesting to read the differentiating view points and how they compare to mine, in fact I flip flopped a lot on this topic- going back and forth with considering myself "pro-choice" and "pro-life".

But seriously, telling someone to "Drink Bleach" if they decide to get an abortion is just over the top and uncalled for. If you say "Hey I don't care- they decided to break the law, they should deal with the consequences", fair enough. But telling someone to actively kill themselves?

 

[Elise Ebele]

Okay- I apologize, but this annoys me. I don't truthfully care about people being pro-life or pro-choice. Your opinion, I respect that. I find it interesting to read the differentiating view points and how they compare to mine, in fact I flip flopped a lot on this topic- going back and forth with considering myself "pro-choice" and "pro-life".

But seriously, telling someone to "Drink Bleach" if they decide to get an abortion is just over the top and uncalled for. If you say "Hey I don't care- they decided to break the law, they should deal with the consequences", fair enough. But telling someone to actively kill themselves?

Well truthfully I wouldn’t wish my worst enemy actually drink bleach and kill them self. I just feel like there is no greater crime on this earth than to bring harm to a child. So I think some one who does than ought to be punished to the full extent of punishment. Though I suppose if the all powerful and all holy God can forgive all... then I have no place not to. But if some one thinks it is okay and right to harm a child, and would follow suit, then I honestly feel like the world would benefit their demise... Children are precious.

There are people in this world who don’t particularly care for kids and people who think that dogs are better so I understand that literally no one has views close to mine. But if I ruled the world, abortion would be a crime punishable by death and nothing less. I don’t agree with it.