Other What are your politics?

[Bone2pick]

I gotta say, this thread has been nice for seeing where people I often disagree with still hold values I can respect. I try to remind myself of that fact, but it's just good to have it demonstrated.

Here's a question you might find interesting: what of the members who appreciate what you do here, and who you might appreciate what they in turn provide, but they happen to have very different values than you?

 

[Grey]

Here's a question you might find interesting: what of the members who appreciate what you do here, and who you might appreciate what they in turn provide, but they happen to have very different values than you?

I can only think of three users who I believe fit that description, and they have at their worst seemed merely misguided, not malicious, so we have polite arguments from time to time and are mostly satisfied that if the other will not be convinced, they are at least not driven by hatred or greed.


Otherwise, I don't know with certainty of any users who appreciate what I do that have divergent values from mine. I do know that when I find someone's contributions to be lackluster, I am later unsurprised to learn they are my polar opposite politically.

 

[AkuTheWolfOkami]

I am apolitical.


I'm a Marine vet who follows logical thinking. I'm not a tolerant person, I just don't really care what others do in their personal lives if doesn't hurt others. I guess that may align more socially with liberal, but I definitely have some views that align with American Conservatism. Hint Hint, I'm all for military spending. 


Edit: The OED defines tolerate as " Allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one dislikes or disagrees with) without interference:"


Considering I don't care (meaning I don't agree or disagree, like or dislike) by definition, I can't be tolerant. Wanted to clear that up before someone tried to lay into me. 

 

[ARSENIC]

Right, then. Let's do this.



Abortion: Yes. The livelihood of a thinking person outweighs the life of an unfeeling embryo.



Gay Marriage/Gay Rights: Obviously.



Planned Parenthood: Clearly. Kind of goes hand in hand with the first question.



Religious Freedom Act: Criminalizing the disrespect of a religion is in total violation of free speech, and I will not stand for it. A religion is nothing more than an idea, and should be treated as such - completely open to criticism.



Required Vaccination: Irrevocably. You being unvaccinated is a threat to my health.



Trans Rights: Absolutely. A fleshbag is a fleshbag, whatever it's dressed in.



Death Penalty: No. Humans make mistakes, sometimes we sentence the wrong guy. You cannot pardon a dead man.



Obamacare: Still not as good as Canada or the UK, but it's a start.



Legalize Marijuana: Yes. It's clinically proven to be less harmful than cigarettes. If anything, nicotine should be illegal.



Minimum Wage: Yes. Welfare only exists because the minimum wage is too low.



Higher Taxes on the Wealthy: Assuming the government can afford it, no, but if necessary, this is a good place to start. Trickle-down does not work.



Lower Taxes on the Poor: Assuming the government can afford it, yes.



Welfare: Once the minimum wage goes up, this will be unnecessary, and stop the unemployed from being comfortable in their stagnation.



Trans-Pacific Partnership: Very pro. Free market is best market.



Puerto Rico Bailout: Here's a thought - maybe work on your own debt first.



Building Wall: The Mexican-American border clearly needs some refurbishment, but the wall is all hype.


 
Deportation: Yes. The law is the law.



Full Amnesty for Illegal Immigrants: No. The law is the law.



Diminish Student Loans: Assuming the government can afford it, yes.



Common Core: The education system clearly needs a total overhaul, with more emphasis on quick thinking and logical problem solving. However, the emphasis on math, technology and science is important, and should stay.



Declare War on ISIS: A war on an illegal entity is about as effective as a war on an idea, and we all know how well the War on Drugs is going.



Increase Military Spending: Absolutely not. The inverse, in fact. Take everything we're spending here, and use it on lowering taxes, diminishing student loans, battling climate change, and implementing healthcare changes. Keep the bare minimum to mass-produce swarmbots with machineguns and maintain an international cybersecurity & surveillance system, and call it a day. The US has enough nukes to obliterate the world 8 times over. You don't need more.



Drone Usage: Yes. Look up Swarmbots. They're extremely cheap (it takes an absurd amount of money to train a soldier, let alone outfit him), absent of human error or fear, and completely replaceable. Also they look crazy cool.



Guantanamo Bay Facility: Clear human rights violations. Need I say more?



Troops in Syria: The only thing we should be doing to Syria is keeping ISIS from taking control of it.



Government Surveillance: In public places only.



Gun Control: I've gone up and down on this question more often than I'd like to admit. In any country other than the US, Mexico, and some African countries, outlawing guns is the most braindead decision on the planet. But with how deeply seated those countries are in illegal, gun-related violence, banning guns would only get rid of legally owned guns, and legally manufactured guns. The illegal guns already in circulation, of which there are literal mountains of in the US alone, would become that much more dangerous by merit of the fact that civilians cannot defend themselves from them. So all we can really do there is tighten screening.



Iphone Encryption: Only sheep use iPhones, but I suppose I'd have to go the decision of personal privacy on principle. Oh well.



Reduce Campaign Finance: Obviously. It's a ridiculous waste.



Reduce Climate Change: The number one global problem.



Reduce GMOs: A ridiculous idea propagated by fear-mongering. People are starving, and GMOs are going to solve that problem if we only let them.



Pardon Edward Snowden: Yes. The US president has pardoned worse men before. Whistleblowers should be celebrated, whether corporate or governmental.


Gold Standard: Yes. If you explain the fiat system in terms a fifth grader would actually understand, every single one of them would tell you you'd have to be smoking pot to even consider it. (Which, if true, means I may unfortunately have to rethink my stance on marijuana.)

 

[Saccharine Cyanide]

I have a question for people who want to make vaccines mandatory (full disclosure: I'm pro-vaccine).


How would it be implemented? The way I've heard suggested is that the kids will be barred from school, but that seems like it'd be hurting the kid in the long run and not the adult.

 

[Novislav Đajić]

#FiringSquadForCommies2020


>Inb4 flame war is created

 

[Bone2pick]

I can only think of three users who I believe fit that description, and they have at their worst seemed merely misguided, not malicious, so we have polite arguments from time to time and are mostly satisfied that if the other will not be convinced, they are at least not driven by hatred or greed.


Otherwise, I don't know with certainty of any users who appreciate what I do that have divergent values from mine. I do know that when I find someone's contributions to be lackluster, I am later unsurprised to learn they are my polar opposite politically.

Haha.  Are you suggesting there might be a correlation between someone's political ideology and their roleplay content?  :smile2:


Fyi, looking over what you've posted, you and I are night and day on several issues.  Which is completely kosher with me, but food for thought.

 

[ARSENIC]

#FiringSquadForCommies2020


>Inb4 flame war is created

Only if we use swarmbots to do the firing. Swarmbots are cool. Like fezzes.

I have a question for people who want to make vaccines mandatory (full disclosure: I'm pro-vaccine).


How would it be implemented? The way I've heard suggested is that the kids will be barred from school, but that seems like it'd be hurting the kid in the long run and not the adult.

Simple. Child Services will be made to treat vaccine refusal as tantamount to child abuse. The child will be liberated from its parents' care for long enough to be informed by a child care specialist as to why vaccines are important, treated, and allowed to return if the child desires. The parents will be recorded as offenders and scrutinized more heavily for repeat offenses.

 

[Novislav Đajić]

Only if we use swarmbots to do the firing.


Simple. Child Services will be made to treat vaccine refusal as tantamount to child abuse. The child will be liberated from its parents' care for long enough to be informed by a child care specialist why vaccines are important, treated, and allowed to return if the child desires. The parents will be recorded as child offenders.

But it's more fun to do it live... also, what if we line them in the wall of China and break the record of most rifles fired at the same time?

 

[ARSENIC]

But it's more fun to do it live... also, what if we line them in the wall of China and break the record of most rifles fired at the same time?

 At that point you may as well just gas them. If you're going to outdo Hitler, do it properly.

 

[Lord Pug]

Honestly, I hate politics but there are some issues that are important to me. For instance, if gay marriage weren't allowed I, a heterosexual male, would not be able to marry when I get older. Why? Because my birth certificate says I'm female. I differ with my mom and other democrats on some thing (like the Death Penalty) but I'd say I'm mostly left wing, "liberal" I think it's called?

 

[Novislav Đajić]

Honestly, I hate politics but there are some issues that are important to me. For instance, if gay marriage weren't allowed I, a heterosexual male, would not be able to marry when I get older. Why? Because my birth certificate says I'm female. I differ with my mom and other democrats on some thing (like the Death Penalty) but I'd say I'm mostly left wing, "liberal" I think it's called?

Center left?

 At that point you may as well just gas them. If you're going to outdo Hitler, do it properly.

I mean, I'm half German, I could try to do my best german accent as I order the commies into the gas chambers.

 

[ARSENIC]

Center left?

The whole idea of this left-right dichotomy is absurd. I used to classify myself as hard left, but ever since the rise of "safe space" censorship butchered the leftist defense of total free speech, even in cases where it is offensive, since being offended is totally subjective and has no place in objective law, I've basically resigned to the fact that everyone in politics is an idiot.

 

[Novislav Đajić]

Reposting to fix some stuff


Abortion: Fuck no.Gay Marriage/Gay Rights: As long as it is civil, and not religious  (UNLESS said religion accepts gay marriage), they already have rights in (MY) opinion.Planned Parenthood: Defund it, right. fucking. nowReligious Freedom Act: I agree to some extentRequired Vaccination: Yes, obviously.Trans Rights: Eh... just so they can be treated like normal people, and no "Genderless restrooms"Death Penalty: Helicopter rides, Firing squad, anything S2Obamacare: No, just fucking no, end it.Legalize Marijuana: Hell no.Minimum Wage: No need for changes, unless extremely needed.Higher Taxes on the Wealthy: No, fuck no.Lower Taxes on the Poor: No, fuck no.Welfare: It is not made to raise a family.Trans-Pacific Partnership: I was about to say neutral, but I'll have to admit I'm probably "more" against it.Puerto Rico Bailout: Just no, leave them to their own problems.Immigration: Build the wall! And give some mounted weapons to the border patrolDiminish Student Loans: Eh... no.Common Core: It's bad. (>Opinion)Declare War on ISIS: Just drop a nuke or two on them, should end the war pretty quickly.  (Adds sarcasm remark here)Increase Military Spending: Just a bit more.Drone Usage: Use and abuse!Guantanamo Bay Facility: Keep it open, allow full time torture.Troops in Syria: Yes, kek.Government Surveillance: Yes, obviously.Gun Control: Less "Gun control laws"Iphone Encryption: Yes.Reduce Campaign Finance: No.Reduce Climate Change: NoReduce GMOs: Fuck noPardon Edward Snowden: Yes, and also pardon Julian Assange


kek, i feel like this going to start a flame war.

 

[ARSENIC]

I mean we disagree on almost everything, but at least you know drones are cool.

 

[Swindle]

I'm very much a libertarian socialist/anarchist. I'll probably do the list of positions later. 

 

[Novislav Đajić]

I mean we disagree on almost everything, but at least you know drones are cool.

True... true, and thinking about it, drones, if armed properly, can just be used for pretty much everything in case a war happens.

 

[ARSENIC]

True... true, and thinking about it, drones, if armed properly, can just be used for pretty much everything in case a war happens.

Which is why I'm calling them out as not just support for, but replacements for soldiers. If you haven't done so yet, look at a few youtube videos about Swarmbots. That shit will blow your mind. 

 

[Saccharine Cyanide]

Simple. Child Services will be made to treat vaccine refusal as tantamount to child abuse. The child will be liberated from its parents' care for long enough to be informed by a child care specialist as to why vaccines are important, treated, and allowed to return if the child desires. The parents will be recorded as offenders and scrutinized more heavily for repeat offenses.

Hmm, I like the idea of classifying it as child abuse, but it makes me sad. We'd basically have to choose emotionally damaging a kid to potentially save their life (and other people's, too).


The cynical part of me says that child services are way too underfunded to be able to deal with every case of an unvaccinated kid. Kids are already dying because CPS just can't handle every case thrown at them and way too often they get there too late. So that's the first obstacle: getting CPS some decent funding.

 

[Shireling]

Abortion: Only in the most extreme cases, when killing the fetus would be an act of self-defense on the part of the mother. 



Gay Marriage/Gay Rights: I was always in favor of civil unions. Gays should have all spousal privileges attached to marriage. And given legal marriage is a state institution, they cannot legally be barred from it. Other than that, what rights don't they have? 



Planned Parenthood: A despicable institution. Should not receive any federal funding. Funds should instead go to non-abortion general health clinics with reproductive doctors on staff. If this wasn't healthcare, the government shouldn't be subsidizing any business as a general rule. 



Religious Freedom Act: In favor of it. SJWs are relentless in their attack on Christianity in all areas of the public forum. 



Required Vaccination: Vaccinations are good, but I don't think they should be mandatory and arguably herd immunity is just making us more vulnerable to diseases. 



Trans Rights: What rights don't they have? 



Death Penalty: We could stand to get rid of it. In general, the state should not sponsor the murder of non-belligerent individuals. 



Obamacare: Terrible idea. Corporate cronyism at its finest. Repeal and replace. 



Legalize Marijuana: I don't see why not. 



Minimum Wage: I want to say yes, but a lot of small business can't afford the wage hike. 



Higher Taxes on the Wealthy: Yes. 



Lower Taxes on the Poor: Yes. 



Welfare: The welfare state should be downsized tremendously, at the very least. 



Trans-Pacific Partnership: Good idea in theory, but would be bad in practice. 



Puerto Rico Bailout: No, let them default. 



Building Wall: This never was a serious proposal. 



Deportation: Of course, they broke the law. 



Full Amnesty for Illegal Immigrants: No. They should have to pay a fee or something. 



Diminish Student Loans: No, but allow students to default on their loans in the future. Take universities to court on charges of price gouging. 



Common Core: Terrible idea, get rid of it. 



Declare War on ISIS: I mean, haven't we already? 



Increase Military Spending: No, do the opposite. 



Drone Usage: Sure. 



Guantanamo Bay Facility: Close it. 



Troops in Syria: To do what? Piss off the Russians? Of course not. 



Government Surveillance: No. 



Gun Control: No. 



Iphone Encryption: Yes. 



Reduce Campaign Finance: Yes. 



Reduce Climate Change: Yes and no. The market will respond to climate change when it becomes an actual credible threat. There isn't any threat of Earth becoming a dystopian hellscape in the next fifty years. 



Reduce GMOs: No, why would we? 



Pardon Edward Snowden: Yes. He did nothing wrong. 


Gold Standard: Yes, and abolish the Federal Reserve System. 

 

[Wixard]

Why did I let myself get drawn into this? Borrowing from @ARSENIC

Abortion: No. Passionately.


Gay Marriage/Gay Rights: Marriage isn't something same sex couples can achieve, regardless of what they want to call it.



Planned Parenthood: Defunded, shut down and arrested. Even though abortion is legal they've shown blatant disregard for the law and for their customers, so there's no question.



Religious Freedom Act: I don't know fully understand the specifics of how this works. Or how it's supposed to work. Religious freedom does need to be protected tho.



Required Vaccination: Misread this as 'required vacation'. Um...no, because that would mean someone would have to police people to make sure they took their vacations and I don't want the government bothering me about that.



Trans Rights: Pay for it yourself.



Death Penalty: More no than yes.



Obamacare: Needs to be replaced.


Legalize Marijuana: I don't care. Let the states decide.


Minimum Wage: No, it's a nice idea in principle but economically it doesn't work.



Higher Taxes on the Wealthy: No, and abolish most corporate tax. Corporations don't really pay tax, they just work it in to their pricing and make the customer pay it, so this is just another way of taxing everybody else.



Lower Taxes on the Poor: If you're at or below the poverty line (or even a little above it, sometimes) you don't pay income tax. I don't think this could be lower.



Welfare: Some form of safety net is needed, but I don't think the current setup is doing the best job.



Building Wall: Hahaha. Immigration reform? Yes. It should be easier to get into this country legally if you want to work and contribute. We don't need to build a wall, we already possess a the drones needed to patrol the border. They could spot anyone trying to cross illegally.


 
Deportation: The law should be enforced here. Somewhat worried about the logistics though.



Full Amnesty for Illegal Immigrants: No. We'll just get more. Also, enforce the law.



Diminish Student Loans: Government interference is why college is so expensive. Let people pay what they owe. We can't learn to be responsible adults if our first independent act is getting excused from responsibilities.


Common Core: Was a mistake which did nothing to fix the problems with the education system and everything to take vital decision-making power away from teachers and parents on the front lines with a moronic one-size-fits-nobody approach to schooling.



Declare War on ISIS: Definitely. ISIS actually holds territory, so they'll be forced to defend it. We can't let them keep slaughtering their way across that part of the world when we can stop them.



Increase Military Spending: No, keep it the same and streamline the budget so we can afford more of what we really need. Like modern fighter aircraft that don't suck.



Drone Usage: Yes, with reluctance. The problem with drones is that when they make a mistake, no one can be held accountable for their actions. And they are more likely to make mistakes, since the difference between friend and foe, civilian and combatant, are very difficult to teach to a computer. Among other things.



Guantanamo Bay Facility: The prison itself is fine, but torture is should not be practiced by agents of the US Government under any circumstances.



Government Surveillance: In public places only. Pretty much agree with this one. The patriot act took things too far.



Gun Control: Gun laws pretty much only matter to people who follow the law. E.g: the sorts of people who should be allowed to arm themselves against the sort of people who don't follow the law.



Iphone Encryption: Agree with this as well. Privacy is most important here.



Reduce Climate Change: This is a tough issue for me but there has to be a way to balance human interests and environmental necessity. Over-regulation has a huge negative impact on the economy, and what can we do about countries like China if they don't want to go along? We need smart solutions which allow us to build and thrive while still protecting the beauty and health of our world.



Reduce GMOs: There's nothing scientifically wrong with GMOs, they're probably part of that smart solution I was just talking about. However, they do provide problems for farmers with the way the law is structured right now. Legal changes need to be made to protect farmers from being exploited.

 

[ARSENIC]

Hmm, I like the idea of classifying it as child abuse, but it makes me sad. We'd basically have to choose emotionally damaging a kid to potentially save their life (and other people's, too).


The cynical part of me says that child services are way too underfunded to be able to deal with every case of an unvaccinated kid. Kids are already dying because CPS just can't handle every case thrown at them and way too often they get there too late. So that's the first obstacle: getting CPS some decent funding.

Relegating the absolutely absurd amount of spending in the US military to drone manufacture exclusively will make for more than enough money for this and every other civic problem I mentioned, with some left over to start working off the national debt. Don't believe me? Just Google image search "US military spending" and take a look at some of the graphs.

 

[Saccharine Cyanide]

Relegating the absolutely absurd amount of spending in the US military to drone manufacture exclusively will make for more than enough money for this and every other civic problem I mentioned, with some left over to start working off the national debt. Don't believe me? Just Google image search "US military spending" and take a look at some of the graphs.

Yeah, I believe you. : P  The U.S. spends more on its military than the next ten militaries combined.


But...I'm not holding my breath for the GOP to reduce military spending anytime soon. Trump has even talked about increasing military spending.


(Edit: Wait, just double-checked that. He wants to increase the military...but spend less on it somehow????)

 

[Wixard]

(Edit: Wait, just double-checked that. He wants to increase the military...but spend less on it somehow????)

Spend smarter, not harder?

 

[Saccharine Cyanide]

Spend smarter, not harder?

Doing some looking around, it looks like he hasn't really elaborated on how he's going to do that except he's going to try to get foreign bases to pay more. I'm skeptical, but I guess there's nothing to do but wait and see.