Fantasy [Title TBD] - Origins and Magic System Brainstorm

[Table]

Looking at both Morzone and Pandaskel's ideas, I'd like to add some ideas myself.

-I'd like to start with a small note. If we're also adding Pandaskel's idea to our magic, then we couldn't really call this magic source of ours frequency anymore. Let's just say that for this moment, I'll be using the term 'Wave' as it would be more befitting.

-This Wave is not something that stays on forever, but rather something that occasionally 'create' and 'destroy' itself. I said create and destroy, but these Waves weren't actually taking form out of nowhere. Rather, imagine an invisible string (as in String theory) that connected anything and everything in this universe, and the string occasionally vibrates as it interact with the space-time. These strings formed and maintaining it's vibration for a good amount of time, but then it would dissipate before formed again so quickly that to us normal human observers, these strings looked like they're vibrating eternally and those small gaps of 'Wave disappearances' isn't anything noteworthy naturally. Keyword here is 'naturally' because if the Wave dissipated for too long, some crazy shits could happen. This will relate to my idea of 'Law of Conservation' later on.

-Morzone previously mentioned an idea where this reality might be resulted from 'different existential forces that found its miraculous sweet spot at tier 0'. I'd say rather than miraculously, this event actually happened much more often with 1/13 chance of Wave meshing into tier 0 reality to form the universe with its physics law as we know it. Yes, 1/13 is a huge number considering that the number of Waves out there are so much, we even treat them as infinite. And going back to Morzone's original pitch, while tier 0 Wave can easily materialize itself into reality due to how weak and stable it is, everything else on the higher tier aren't so lucky. Now, those high tier Waves can be meshed into tier 0 reality naturally or through forceful means. That 'forceful mean' would be our magic system.

-Now, imagine that we human also have a natural Wave of our own. Like, I don't just mean some tenth or hundreth of Waves. I'm talking about large numbers like a million or even more, and everyone possesses different amount, frequency, and amplitude of Wave within themselves as well as different capabilities to manipulate the Waves within themselves. Now by theory, everyone can basically cast magic as each individual contains Waves of their own. In reality though, since humans exist on tier 0 reality, the Waves human possessed are also of tier 0, thus any Waves we tried to emit to cast magic would simply be negated by stronger Waves of higher tier of reality. This caused any interaction with any reality on higher tier than tier 0 to be impossible. The purpose of our magic system is to allow human, or any other creature for that matter, to not only interact, but also manipulate the higher tier Wave.

-How do we even manipulate this Waves to conduct magic when even interacting is supposedly impossible? One way is to manipulate the Wave within oneself to be as strong as the Wave they want to interact with, or at least within proximity where our Wave wouldn't simply be nullified by the higher tier Waves. This is where I'd like to input the 'Law of Conservation' idea I had previously. Basically, the amount of Wave existing in this universe is static. It cannot be increased or decreased. By nature, if a Wave dissipate, then a new Wave would be formed elsewhere at the same time. By this logic, if we're to emit a Wave powerful enough to interact with high tier Waves, then we must dissipate Waves of equal value from within ourselves (e.g. if we want to interact with a Wave outside our realm with the total strength being quadruple as strong as Waves within our body, If we assume that power can be imagined as 4, then we must emit Wave with total strength equal to 4 to interact with that Wave. and as our body is surely containing weaker Wave than the outer Wave with weaker amplitude and frequency, then we need to emit Waves with the total strength of 1 four times, or 2 twice, or 1.5 twice and 1 once, and so on. Hence the result would be total strength of our inner Wave = the total strength of the outer Wave we want to interact with). Yes, while the number of Waves in reality cannot be decreased, the number of Waves within our body can, and losing too much of these Waves will certainly result in irregularities to our body. We do, however, eventually regained those lost Waves naturally, with those who are highly trained can regain their Waves faster. Also, since someone mentioned runic tattoo before, I'd like to think that those runes can amplify the Waves within our body as well.

I'd like to continue this short essay since I haven't even touched the important part, which is the magic itself, but I got something else to do. If anyone want to add their own idea, correcting my idea, or even outright rejecting it, feel free to do so.

I'll see ya all soon. In the meantime, have a nice, civilized discussion, and most importantly, have fun!

I should probably stop listening to Pink Floyd too much, especially Shine on You Crazy Diamond, as I feel kinda light right now lol

 

[Sprite Pepsi]

Ok, first of all, Please don't feel like you need to leave over any disagreements with something I suggested/argue for.

I don't. While I get why it might seem that way, my issue isn't with any of your ideas specifically. Rather it's that the group as a whole seem to want the complete opposite of what I want, our discussion was simply the thing that made me realize just how big the difference in our goals was.

 

[Dark lord steel]

I don't. While I get why it might seem that way, my issue isn't with any of your ideas specifically. Rather it's that the group as a whole seem to want the complete opposite of what I want, our discussion was simply the thing that made me realize just how big the difference in our goals was.

Personally I feel a little lost with all this talk of waves and frequencies, but I'm enjoying it nevertheless. It's a shame you want to leave.

 

[Morzone]

I know all the posts are deleted now, but it was still a total mood killer

*ahem*

Dark lord steel Yeah, I have a feeling a lot of the people here are Science/physics/math nerds who are tired of dealing with real world limitations of logic and would like to fashion their own world where the impossible is possible.

Now, I've been reading through the various suggestions, my own included, and I'm starting to think we may be looking at it in the wrong way. And what I mean is, there aren't any restrictions about what types of magic can be used. For all my talk on "forces of existence" I haven't actually said anything that would prohibit a Fire-magic specialist from using Ice magic. or something similar. From what I gathered when I was looking back through Sprite Pepsi 's posts, what I think they're looking for a is a more selective magic system, that separates out magicians based on what type of magic they use, meaning that each type of magic is different on a fundamental level and cannot be performed all by one person. (Is that right? I'd like to hear what you'd suggest for separating out the different types of magic)

So, I've done some thinking and would like to offer a new suggestion.

First, I would like to drop my previous idea of "forces of existence." While I personally like the idea, I feel it's making thing needlessly complicated and isn't really making any headway with discerning the different types of magic.

Secondly, I would like to use something similar to Table 's idea of each person having their own individual Energies within them. (I'm going to try and move away from using Frequencies and waves, instead use more general terms to imply the presence of magic) I realize it may be a bit presumptive to try and build off your idea right now, as you did say you still have more to say on the matter, so my apologies.

Anyway, What I would suggest is that every magician has their own internal energy signature, which dictates what kind of magic they can use. This energy signature is directly inherited, and allows for the magician to be able to control two types of magic; one inherited from the father and one from the mother. We would create a list of the various types of known magic, and limit the use of magic to these categories. Magicians would cast magic using Tablecloth's Conservation method, in which they match their internal energy with the external energy created from the 12 Magical stratum. (Layers, frequencies, waves, whatever term we use) This way there is a "stamina" aspect of magical training to increase the amount of internal energy a person can use before becoming drained and needing rest.

I realize that suggesting limiting magic to only 2 types per magician, and that these types are inherited rather than learned, puts a fairly great restriction on what a magician would be able to do with magic. However, I also believe that these restrictions would serve as excellent building blocks for when we eventually turn to discerning the culture and societies of our Magical world.

 

[Table]

Anyway, What I would suggest is that every magician has their own internal energy signature, which dictates what kind of magic they can use. This energy signature is directly inherited, and allows for the magician to be able to control two types of magic; one inherited from the father and one from the mother. We would create a list of the various types of known magic, and limit the use of magic to these categories. Magicians would cast magic using Tablecloth's Conservation method, in which they match their internal energy with the external energy created from the 12 Magical stratum. (Layers, frequencies, waves, whatever term we use) This way there is a "stamina" aspect of magical training to increase the amount of internal energy a person can use before becoming drained and needing rest.

I realize that suggesting limiting magic to only 2 types per magician, and that these types are inherited rather than learned, puts a fairly great restriction on what a magician would be able to do with magic. However, I also believe that these restrictions would serve as excellent building blocks for when we eventually turn to discerning the culture and societies of our Magical world.

I get your point, but rather than completely restricting what magic can one use, I feel that making those two types of magic per magician be something more of their "talent" which again, inherited from their parent but eventually have to be learned deeply to master. However, if said magician choose to learn other type of magic, (e.g. Magician A have a natural knack in water magic but want to learn wind magic) It is still possible for them to learn that magic albeit they'd have harder time doing so.

Thinking about this, it makes me consider the possibility that there are some energies that don't just mesh up well. What I am implying is that every magician, no matter how good they are, will always have that one or more type of magic they simply can't learn. This, I hope, could make for a good limitation for what our magician characters can and can't do on personal level.

Also, I dunno about you guys, but I really want to do a Mushoku Tensei-style of worldbuilding for this RP.