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(Also I'm a girl, but that's ok coz I don't care what people call me, just for reference since I think laddy is usually used for like young boys??? idk. English is Weird)

is wanting the ideal, without necessarily expecting it really idealism, Elephantom ? I don´t think so. Plus, it is foolish to confuse pessimism or nihilism with realism.

Oh, thank you Idea o.o
I think I'm just moreso annoyed/drained by the events if anything, so it's like me just going "can we be done with this BS yet???" Lol

I can really understand what you mean. Got some friends going through that kind of BS too

It's simple, because we're humans. A young, stupid, and selfish race that in the end still looks out for ourselves

The young and stupid parts I can accept, but I have to disagree with the selfish one

Hmmm. Some humans are selfish, but not all. I do think good people who are selfless are hard to come by, though, unfortunately. Although I do hope everytime I come across someone new they're not entirely selfish. ^^;; ( That I do admit is a bit naive of me, though)

Everyone is selfish in one form or another trust me

no one is truly selfish and I can prove it

Go ahead and I'll tell you how it's selfish and how many people with PHD's proved to me it was selfish

I mean, I do understand that (Although I am curious about your proof, regardless, Idea ) since sometimes being selfless is selfish and vice versa (I know someone who often helps others because the feeling of helping in itself makes them feel good about themselves) but- humans are all complicated anyway. x.x;

for all I care, the wisest people in the world could have gathered to tell you humans are naturally selfish. But it still doesn´t explain two things:
1. the notion of compassion
2. our inherent desire to choose a better option regardless of personal benefit

I don't think anyone is naturally... ANYTHING... Except for maybe mammals. Lol. I think we're all a sum of our life's experiences, thus the huge varying response of emotions when bringing up a topic. ...Like, any topic. It's because our own experiences and knowledge lead us to the conclusion we have based on the subject.

All selfish, especially choosing, to choose is to want what's best even if it isn't for our sake, to want is to be selfish by being selfless. Compassion is also selfish because we choose who to be compassionate to and who gets more or it and who gets less of it.

compassion isn´t chosen. It´s a feeling, it HAPPENS to you. Which is precisely why it is so important to the discussion, because you don´t choose to have feelings of compassion, yet they are selfless feelings, unlike selfish actions, which have to be actually chosen.

It's still selfish due to the effects it has, you're compassionate cuz it makes others feel good as well as your self. Because it is good for you as well itnis selfish cuz whether you know it or not human instinct will always make you choose what is best for you even if it leads to your death

All humans are different tho so I don't think you can say one thing for all of humanity because... all of our brains are wired differently and - ...the fact we're having this conversation proves that, actually? We all have different opinions and it doesn't make us good or bad it just makes us human.

that is a wrong idea. I´ve heard that argument, but it falls flat on it´s face because it misses the point: regardless of the consequence, or how you act upon your feelings, that is irrelevant to the fact that it showed up in the first place. And it showed up without any secondary intentions because you didn´t intend for it to show up, yet the feeling has nothing to do with you.

I think we should just stop arguing it and once again agree to disagree, my professors could easily argue this, I cannot. Arguing isn't my forte, working in the ocean is. All I can say is I will continue to believe altruism is nothing more than ideology at this point in humans lifetime. All 30+ Of my Professors Each with PHD's have proven to me all humans are selfish, all animals for that matter

we can stop arguing, but I will never agree to disagree so simply. I do hope I someday get a chance to argue with some of those professors though. I don´t think they will be any more convinced than you are, but I would sure love to see what kind of arguments they would bring to the table to respond to mine