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[Bone2pick]

but they still occur - as does suicide, and what makes you think you can guarantee that either won't happen?

Because suicide is a choice, and I control my behavior? Surely you must comprehend the difference?

 

[The Witch Son]

Because suicide is a choice, and I control my behavior? Surely you must comprehend the difference?

and you can control your emotional state in the future or something?? you can control that nothing in the future is ever going to make you or someone who knows how to get access to your gun is ever going to feel suicidal?

 

[Bone2pick]

and you can control your emotional state in the future or something?? you can control that nothing in the future is ever going to make you or someone who knows how to get access to your gun is ever going to feel suicidal?

Yes. I can control myself, I'm an adult. And the people in my household are emotionally healthy and will continue to be emotionally healthy.

 

[The Witch Son]

Yes. I can control myself, I'm an adult. And the people in my household are emotionally healthy and will continue to be emotionally healthy.

well, congrats you magical unicorn - because literally no one else in the human race can guarantee the future emotional state of both themselves and their family hats off to you

 

[Bone2pick]

well, congrats you magical unicorn - because literally no one else in the human race can guarantee the future emotional state of both themselves and their family hats off to you

So you honestly factor in suicide when it comes to owning things? Do you only have butter knives and keep an empty medicine cabinet?

 

[The Witch Son]

So you honestly factor in suicide when it comes to owning things? Do you only have butter knives and keep an empty medicine cabinet?

no but i don't buy weapons that are 22 times more likely to kill me and/or my family than protect me that's for sure

 

[Bone2pick]

So the suicide concern was just some bullshit you apply to items that go against your politics? Gotcha. I love your honesty.

 

[The Witch Son]

So the suicide concern was just some bullshit you apply to items that go against your politics? Gotcha. I love your honesty.

I'm not following, how did you make that leap? I'm unconcerned about the the fact that people commit suicide with guns they own because???? - you seriously lost me

 

[Bone2pick]

no but i don't buy weapons that are 22 times more likely to kill me and/or my family than protect me that's for sure

I mean, this is pure gold. You lecture me about how basically everyone is at risk of suicide. You imply I'm negligent for not taking it into consideration with my purchases. And then when I ask you if you consider suicide risk with your other purchases, you immediately respond with no.

That's incredible!

 

[The Witch Son]

I mean, this is pure gold. You lecture me about how basically everyone is at risk of suicide. You imply I'm negligent for not taking it into consideration with my purchases. And then when I ask you if you consider suicide risk with your other purchases, you immediately respond with no.

That's incredible!

ooooooooh you're applying the statistic to butter knives and medicine

well, when statistics are presented that people largely commit suicide with butter knives and that you're more likely to commit suicide with medicine than find it pertinent to your healthcare I guess those topics should be explored too?

but they're not, and it's absurd to suggest that they do.

guns on the other hand are.

you can't make false equivalencies and then frame it as a "gotcha" moment

 

[The Witch Son]

guns are weapons, they were exclusively created to kill - why wouldn't you factor how much a danger they are into whether or not you should purchase one?

 

[Bone2pick]

ooooooooh you're applying the statistic to butter knives and medicine

well, when statistics are presented that people largely commit suicide with butter knives and that you're more likely to commit suicide with medicine than find it pertinent to your healthcare I guess those topics should be explored too?

but they're not, and it's absurd to suggest that they do.

guns on the other hand are.

you can't make false equivalencies and then frame it as a "gotcha" moment

Wow, you seriously failed to comprehend that butter knifes were brought up as substitutes for actual sharp knives? This conversation keeps getting better.

And it's principle buddy. You perched yourself on a high horse about how we should all worry about killing ourselves, and then with your next breath you admit you don't factor in suicide risk when it comes to any other purchases. Congrats, you complately invalidated all your moral (responsible?) preaching when you revealed that you only consider suicide when we're talking about items against your politics.

 

[The Witch Son]

well if you're just going to ignore my responses and repeat yourself there's really no more point to this

not that i figured there would be in the first place

 

[Bone2pick]

well if you're just going to ignore my responses and repeat yourself there's really no more point to this

Is there something I failed to address?

 

[The Witch Son]

Is there something I failed to address?

you didn't address either of my responses you just said "psych the butter knives were real sharp knives" even though the same thing I said applies to sharp knives as well and continued to claim i'm on some sort of high horse and unconcerned about suicide rates even though I've already stated that if there were any studies showing that those things attributed to people's harm that they should be discussed like guns are

and you didn't touch at all on the fact that guns are weapons specifically meant to kill/harm and have no other purpose and that fact alone should make you consider its danger on whether or not it should be purchased.

can i point out for the hundredth time this is going nowhere? you haven't made a single good point here.

this is getting exhausting

 

[Bone2pick]

you didn't address either of my responses you just said "psych the butter knives were real sharp knives" even though the same thing I said applies to sharp knives as well and continued to claim i'm on some sort of high horse and unconcerned about suicide rates even though I've already stated that if there were any studies showing that those things attributed to people's harm that they should be discussed like guns are

I can't make much sense out of what you're saying here. Are you suggesting you'd need to see studies to confirm that people commit suicide with knives and medication?

and you didn't touch at all on the fact that guns are weapons specifically meant to kill/harm and have no other purpose and that fact alone should make you consider its danger on whether or not it should be purchased.

Kill, harm, or threaten bad people who would hurt or kill my family. Yes. That's a good thing. That's why law enforcement officers typically have them. That's why the President's children are protected by armed guards.

And btw, all my points have stood up. While you've denied your own expressed logic, refused to admit that hurting aggressors is often a necessary part of personal protection, and recently you invalidated your concern for product suicide risk.

 

[Melanie77]

not that you aren't allowed your opinion by any means, and the fact that you're a germaphobe makes the issue understandable certainly - i just find it ironic that you're a cat lover because when it comes to bites techs experience during work at the hospital it's cat bites and scratches that we worry about the most because their claws and mouths are actually THE MOST dirty things fucking ever

cat scratch/bite fever is a super real thing cats have sooooooo much bacteria

Honestly, I don't think I'm truly germaphobic but I honestly can't stand to get dirty or touch dirty things, to the point that I excessively wash my hands at times.

Still knowing this information isn't going to change my opinion whatsoever. Dogs are absolutely foul to me. They might not have as much bacteria as cats, but I wouldn't want their mouths, claws, or anything near me. Btw, I don't own a cat because my family's allergic so, again, not really relevant to me.

 

[Dalamus Ulom]

Life has no meaning. No matter how hard you work, no matter how much money you make, or how famous you become, you will always only be a speck residing on the side of a speck, within a speck, within a speck, within a speck, within a speck.

We are infinitely small and worthless, and I take power from this thought, for if life has no meaning, then that means whatever I choose to be my purpose IS my purpose, no matter what anyone tells me. Because I am so worthelessly small, even if there were a God or gods, they would never lower them selves so low as to choose my path for me, thus giving me the ultimate power. For you see, my worthlessness, OUR worthlessness is our greatest power, for it gives us CHOICE, and no one or thing can take that from me, or anyone else.

 

[MechanicalHeart]

Dude... you literally missed my point about circumstantial evidence.
I know that it's too weak to build a case off of. But if someone came to you with a giant burn on their arm and told you their sibling spilled hot coffee on them, would you assume they were lying just because no one saw it happen? Either way, they still have an injury that needs treating.

Even in the scenario where a person craves attention enough to fake being assaulted, that kind of deep mental disturbance needs serious counseling. No one cries abuse for shits and giggles.

No, I didn't miss your point.

I'll illustrate it with your example. Someone comes in with a burn on their arm and claims their sibling spilled something hot on them. They claim the sibling purposely did this. Sibling denies this accusation and says it was an accident.

By your logic, the alleged victim now should get assistance as if they were a victim of domestic abuse by said sibling, whilst there is no proof that the sibling in any way purposely injured the victim. Yes, there is a burn. The burn should be treated as an injury. Nobody ever claimed physical injury shouldn't be treated, that would be stupid. But what about the psychological treatment abuse victims require?

By admitting they need such help you are implicitly accepting that the other sibling may have purposely injured the victim, with no proof. This could very well have a lasting impact on their lives. The presumption of innocence is not only a legal aspect, as you seem to portray it. "We accept this person needs (apart from treating injury) help" means "We accept that you probably did this, but we just can't prove it enough to send you to jail." is enough for most people to start treating someone as if they are guilty. This means friends may start avoiding someone. Rumours are enough to make employers fire you or bar you from applying for a job. You will face bias in some psychological evaluations, if these are necessary.

An actual case like the one you describe exists in my country from a few years ago, around 2005 I believe.

A fourteen year old girl was arrested and faced an investigation for the attempted murder of her younger sister, who was found with trauma to the back of the head by their parents upon arriving home. Neighbours heard some shouting before and assumed there was a fight between the sisters. The kid sister pulled through but remained in a coma for months. The older sister, while not charged officially by the state due to lack of evidence, faced death threats, bullying, was kicked out of her spots club and lost most of her friends. She attempted suicide twice. The case was solved when the sister woke up and remembered that she had an argument with her sister, ran off and in a tantrum managed to injure herself when something fell off a closet she was kicking in anger.

In this case the older sister ended up needing assistance due to the presumption of innocence being thrown to the wind by media and other people. Now imagine what would happen if the kid sister lied to get herself out of any potential trouble. Sometimes, simply pointing at someone and calling them something is enough to do the damage.

 

[MechanicalHeart]

Sorry if this breaks up the really serious discussion, but I wanted to add my own two cents.
Fortnite is an alright game, just too overrated for what it is. It isn't good enough for the publicity it's getting, imo. (probably biased because I don't even like battle royale-style games to begin with).

You're absolutely right, mate.

 

[MechanicalHeart]

Don't be silly, of course they could.

NAh Mate, they'd be too busy fortifying their positions to outfortify the other. Attacking detracts time from fortifying.

 

[The Witch Son]

You know

Actually

I think I learned something new here????!!!!!!!

The mentality gun owners have when presented with a statistical analysis proving that it’s highly unlikely that a gun will help you in the event of some sort of attack and that it’s actually 22 times more likely that your family will be harmed by that gun that you purchased - they take and hold on to the notion that that’ll never never happen in their household because they believe themselves ABOVE that statistic

Because everyone thinks it’ll never happen to you until it does

colour me shocked I don’t know why I didn’t see it before. Welp, I don’t know how to proceed beyond waving that statistic around anymore so - I guess I won’t

It’s not like we really need to convince gun owners anyhow, even though it would be nice if they were on board too. Americans in favor of gun control are actually in the majority. It’s the NRA that needs contending with

 

[Waraeru]

You know

Actually

I think I learned something new here????!!!!!!!

The mentality gun owners have when presented with a statistical analysis proving that it’s highly unlikely that a gun will help you in the event of some sort of attack and that it’s actually 22 times more likely that your family will be harmed by that gun that you purchased - they take and hold on to the notion that that’ll never never happen in their household because they believe themselves ABOVE that statistic

Because everyone thinks it’ll never happen to you until it does

colour me shocked I don’t know why I didn’t see it before. Welp, I don’t know how to proceed beyond waving that statistic around anymore so - I guess I won’t

It’s not like we really need to convince gun owners anyhow, even though it would be nice if they were on board too. Americans in favor of gun control are actually in the majority. It’s the NRA that needs contending with

i dont think i can possibly even come close to explaining just how glad i am you said this.

 

[Croaker]

You know

Actually

I think I learned something new here????!!!!!!!

The mentality gun owners have when presented with a statistical analysis proving that it’s highly unlikely that a gun will help you in the event of some sort of attack and that it’s actually 22 times more likely that your family will be harmed by that gun that you purchased - they take and hold on to the notion that that’ll never never happen in their household because they believe themselves ABOVE that statistic

Because everyone thinks it’ll never happen to you until it does

colour me shocked I don’t know why I didn’t see it before. Welp, I don’t know how to proceed beyond waving that statistic around anymore so - I guess I won’t

It’s not like we really need to convince gun owners anyhow, even though it would be nice if they were on board too. Americans in favor of gun control are actually in the majority. It’s the NRA that needs contending with

My apologies for butting in on a conversation that I'm not a part of, but I figure that it's worth mentioning that the statistics you linked come from the Brady Campaign, which is known for padding and exagerating a surprising amount of its statistics. I can tell you now, after taking a quick look through the page you linked us to and doing a few minutes of further investigation, many of the statistics used are quite deceptive. Just thought that was worth mentioning before you pick those stats as your hill to die on.

Also, before I slip out of this particularly dreary discussion, I'd like to say that I highly encourage people to look at where their statistics come from before madly waving them around and claiming them to be absolute.
I love this phrase that keeps popping up: "Numbers don't lie." It's true to an extent, but I find people often forget that statisticians do. In fact, its there job to do so. People have agendas, and they'll twist every number they have until it benefits them in some way.

PS: Did you know that the "A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used to kill or injure in a domestic homicide, suicide, or unintentional shooting than to be used in self-defense." statistic is taken from a journal that is 20 years old? Besides being a flawed statistic, seems weird to use such outdated info.

 

[The Mad Queen]

Beyonce is overrated.