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Karcen

Ten Thousand Club
Don't forget they Apprently can reproduce by like mitosis or something maybe budding as they have no gender and reproduce asexually

Though that's not op just an intresting part of them

I now envision them as immortal telepathic sea sponges it isn't right but it is funny.
 
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Pat

Her Majesty Victoria
@Pat Boi you made immortal shape shifting telepaths and you're asking what's OP. Think about it for a second.
Immortal implies they never die or regress. A 'vast majority' of Iradae kill themselves by age hundred, and even if they don't, they're just as susceptible to things that cause death as anyone else. That isn't quite the definition of the word. The shape shifting and telepathic part I understand however, but if you'll look at my post, I've since elucidated those aspects of them to be a thing that has to be honed after years of training to be appreciably useful over an extended period and distance of time and space. What I'd like to know is why you're taking it upon yourself to be a minimod when nobody asked for your opinion and why you have to repeatedly comment on my application. What, since your fear mongering tactics aren't working, now you're switching to something entirely different in my CS that everyone else can see too?
 

Petroshka

Best Spoderfren
Immortal implies they never die or regress. A 'vast majority' of Iradae kill themselves by age hundred, and even if they don't, they're just as susceptible to things that cause death as anyone else. That isn't quite the definition of the word. The shape shifting and telepathic part I understand however, but if you'll look at my post, I've since elucidated those aspects of them to be a thing that has to be honed after years of training to be appreciably useful over an extended period and distance of time and space. What I'd like to know is why you're taking it upon yourself to be a minimod when nobody asked for your opinion and why you have to repeatedly comment on my application. What, since your fear mongering tactics aren't working, now you're switching to something entirely different in my CS that everyone else can see too?
it doesnt need to be the 'vast majority' that can be immortal, your leaders could have a literally infinite amount of experience and use a "i've seen this before" and plot their way out of a sticky situation. also why do they kill themselves after a hundred years? why not just stop reproducing so they can be what i just stated
 
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Crumbli

the Tea Time Tyrant
Immortal implies they never die or regress. A 'vast majority' of Iradae kill themselves by age hundred, and even if they don't, they're just as susceptible to things that cause death as anyone else. That isn't quite the definition of the word. The shape shifting and telepathic part I understand however, but if you'll look at my post, I've since elucidated those aspects of them to be a thing that has to be honed after years of training to be appreciably useful over an extended period and distance of time and space. What I'd like to know is why you're taking it upon yourself to be a minimod when nobody asked for your opinion and why you have to repeatedly comment on my application. What, since your fear mongering tactics aren't working, now you're switching to something entirely different in my CS that everyone else can see too?
First of all, just because a social code dictates people kill themselves doesn't mean they will. Creating biologically immortal characters, especially ones with so many other perks like asexual reproduction, telepathy, and body morphing is a pretty big case of over powered aliens. You can be petty and argue about the specifics of words all you want but my point remains. A race that doesn't have a set time window of existence is one prone to abuse.
I get that you attempted to balance their abilities by making it cost time to train their skills but you can't be oblivious to the fact they're not on a timed existence. If they were it would be a balancing mechanic to the race. But, unlike other aliens, your proposed race are able to live for a 'theoretically infinite' period of time. With the distant origins backstory you expressed here as well you could easily exploit it so that these aliens have a few living ancestors who recall how to use and produce their ancient yet highly advanced engines and mechanics.
Now if you want to accuse me of being a minimod I've just given you a base for your claim. Hopefully you're happy.

While we're at it, no one asked your opinion either when you joined the interest check and called it dead. You still gave it.
That quote you used was the first time I mentioned your CS or you by the way but since you wanted to take it there I figured I might as well follow through with this. I was expressing concerns, ones that were shared by other interested members, and you've decided to interpret them as a personal attack as opposed to open ended concerns. You've also attacked other players for expressing either concerns or interest in similar ideas which I think is rather toxic of you and unwarranted.
 

Pat

Her Majesty Victoria
it doesnt need to be the 'vast majority' that can be immortal, your leaders could have a literally infinite amount of experience and use a "i've seen this before" and plot their way out of a sticky situation. also why do they kill themselves after a hundred years? why not just stop reproducing so they can be what i just stated
How're Elves in fantasy settings not OP then? Additionally, isn't the knowledge of the character limited to what the player behind it can think up or take from some other source? Finally, can't this be addressed when it is clearly a problem rather than something that might be a problem in the future? For the latter concern, if you've read my CS this wouldn't be a question you would have to ask, but the self-inflicted suicide of the species around the period of a hundred years is due to a mix of regulatory, traditional, and psychological, reasons. My leader, my character, is one hundred and fifty-seven orbital rotations old, not exactly the oldest one of the Iradae has ever been, but still pretty old by their standards. I don't see how that lends credence to your opinion that the leaders of my empire can have literally infinite experience when logically the most educated and wise Iradae would run a technocratic nation. Since that's the case, it means that my character, the leader of the Iradae, would be the wisest Iradae alive or the most experienced in their field. The Iradae also wouldn't suddenly become immortal and all-knowing just by stopping reproduction. Some people would still die on a daily basis due to chance or accident or war, or, in essence, to anything that is lethal to anyone else. There would still be death, so I don't really get what you're putting out there.
First of all, just because a social code dictates people kill themselves doesn't mean they will. Creating biologically immortal characters, especially ones with so many other perks like asexual reproduction, telepathy, and body morphing is a pretty big case of over powered aliens. You can be petty and argue about the specifics of words all you want but my point remains. A race that doesn't have a set time window of existence is one prone to abuse.
I get that you attempted to balance their abilities by making it cost time to train their skills but you can't be oblivious to the fact they're not on a timed existence. If they were it would be a balancing mechanic to the race. But, unlike other aliens, your proposed race are able to live for a 'theoretically infinite' period of time. With the distant origins backstory you expressed here as well you could easily exploit it so that these aliens have a few living ancestors who recall how to use and produce their ancient yet highly advanced engines and mechanics.
Now if you want to accuse me of being a minimod I've just given you a base for your claim. Hopefully you're happy.

While we're at it, no one asked your opinion either when you joined the interest check and called it dead. You still gave it.
That quote you used was the first time I mentioned your CS or you by the way but since you wanted to take it there I figured I might as well follow through with this. I was expressing concerns, ones that were shared by other interested members, and you've decided to interpret them as a personal attack as opposed to open ended concerns. You've also attacked other players for expressing either concerns or interest in similar ideas which I think is rather toxic of you and unwarranted.
Societal expectations was one of three reasons given why the Iradae commit suicide. The other two are that the government regularly encourages or even facilitates it due to population control concerns, and that by that time, psychologically, the Iradae don't want to live by that point. On average anyway. You would know this if you didn't gloss over everything that doesn't support your pre-existing bias. If it takes years for them to master their skills, that would be somewhere in the region of a twentieth or a tenth (likely more) of their life of an average one hundred years to become accomplished at both shape shifting and telepathy. Then they would also have to spend time doing whatever else is relevant to their occupation, which would cost more time. Those who live longer than that, they're few and far between, but they would largely be in positions of authority rather than doing anything themselves, the likely exceptions being ambassadors, soldiers, traders, spies, ect. Since when were there other alien races? The only mostly ensured one is humanity itself, but currently I'm the only empire that exists. You can't say that by comparison I'm OP if there's nobody to compare to yet. I never said their engines or mechanics or whatever were better than anyone else's. I've actually argued the polar opposite. If they did, I replied to someone else, it wouldn't of mattered because I intended (and intend) for said knowledge to have been lost anyway. Also, even if it was advanced at the time, why couldn't it be said that now, much, much, later, it's obsolete or somehow unfeasible in terms of resources?

I'm largely sure I didn't address anyone else other than you in an antagonizing manner. Argumentative, yes, in an attempt to convince them otherwise, but not inherently interpretable as hostile. Except maybe when it came to Axel, but we do that with each other all the time and I presume he wasn't offended significantly and I wouldn't mind the same treatment from him so long as it was either not serious or warranted. Said opinion of mine you bring up wasn't directed to any one individual or any factors related to their sheet (extra galactic species ring a bell?). It didn't suggest to the contrary of anyone else in a paranoid manner of how the roleplay should be run. And when it was given it was entirely correct in that the GM had at that time abandoned the roleplay. All in all, why're you so dead set on bubble wrapping the RP to protect it from an unfounded suspicion of powergaming? Why not wait until its an actual problem rather than a theoretical one?
 
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Pat

Her Majesty Victoria
Besides, this 'immortality' comes at the quick or gradual expense of mental health. The older they get, the unhappier most if not all Iradae would be, unless they were some sort of crazy genetic or societal anomaly.
 

OrenjiGatsu

The best moon you'll ever see.
I like to revoke my interest in this roleplay. I may possibly join at some point later, but for now it is likely that I shall not be submitting any applications.
 
I like to revoke my interest in this roleplay. I may possibly join at some point later, but for now it is likely that I shall not be submitting any applications.
Same, I quit, you guys figure this out for yourselves. I thought this could be fun but then people decided to ruin it by taking advantage of my leniency and putting their own spin on things.
 

Crumbli

the Tea Time Tyrant
I don't think you should step up, Pat. It seems clear to me that too many people disagree with your ideas while you're just a player.
I'd prefer to get the mod crew back instead. They were in the middle of working things out and they had Podge's blessing.

@Shabazz Is there any way we can persuade you to come back to this project?
 

Crumbli

the Tea Time Tyrant
Not really tricky. You get mods who actually vet the character sheets and keep it so you have to have an equal amount of strengths and weaknesses.

Regardless with Shabaz and Podge dropping it I feel this rp idea is dead and it'd be best if a new interest check is started for a somewhat fleshed out idea.
 

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