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[Jackson123]

Also, two simple ideas for the school emblem

The mon of the Suwa Clan that resides in Suwa, originally as priests but eventually as samurai
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There's also the official seal of the cityView attachment 868346

They're not the most clever of ideas but I figured they might get the ball rolling.

Interesting. I did some googling around and it seems that Kaji leaf crest is also associated with the Suwa Myojin (諏訪明神), the God that the Upper Shrine of Suwa Jinja worship.


And some of their schools had adopted Kaji leaf into their school emblem as well, so we could certainly get some idea from it if we're designing one for our own. Here are two of the schools I found from Suwa, first here is the Suwa Futaba High School 諏訪二葉高校: 諏訪二葉高校（長野県）の情報（偏差値・口コミなど） | みんなの高校情報



And this is Suwa Seiryo Senior High School 諏訪清陵高校: 諏訪清陵高校（長野県）の情報（偏差値・口コミなど） | みんなの高校情報



Now, the school ship.

I have two idea that could both reference the place, first one being that the Nagano Prefecture, that Suwa is located in, is roughly the same place where the old Shinano Province (信濃国) governed, and Shinano as we know it, is the namesake of this ship: Yamato class converted aircraft carrier IJN Shinano:



Second idea, well, remember that Suwa Seiryo Senior High School we mentioned? Well, amongst the Seiryo alumnus is a fellow called Aruga Kosaku, he was a Vice Admiral of the Imperial Japanese Navy and the last captain of the battleship Yamato (The school was called 長野県立諏訪中学校 back then), so it would also make sense to have Yamato as the school ship:



(Just keeps throwing in those juicy historical reference, Girls und Panzer style)

What do you guys think?

 

[Inactive User 002]

Yeah but we would have to make Yamato a absolutely huge to fit all the businesses, houses, parks and wild parts. Mega sized Yamato sounds awesom.

 

[Jackson123]

Super mega Yamato Xd

 

[CatJones]

It would kind of give us an underdog story too, seeing as how the yamato was the most useless ship in the IJN.

 

[Jackson123]

It would kind of give us an underdog story too, seeing as how the yamato was the most useless ship in the IJN.

Not really, the IJN had the same fleet-in-being policy on most of their BBs throughout the war, battleships like Nagato, Fuso, Yamashiro, Ise and Hyuga did not do much more in the war than the Yamato class either. The Yamato had at least did some damage on USS White Plains at 32km away in the Battle of Leyte Gulf and scored some hits on destroyers with her 155mm secondary armaments. The only workhorse in the IJN BBs were the Kongo class.

The title of most useless IJN battleship should go to the Mutsu in my opinion. The most powerful battleship class before the Yamato were build being sunk meaninglessly by a magazine detonation accident in the harbour without participating in any engagement

 

[CatJones]

Literally built a massive ship because of 'Refight the Last War ' Syndrome. Built it as a battleship, the largest, can engage enemies beyond their own reach. Sure, it helped starve the Army, your rival, of the metal they need to build more tanks. And sure, the US isn't selling you crude oil anymore so the ship can't even be used due to its massive size making it too costly.

But it's not like it's entire service career will be sitting near the battles but not being able to help in time. Or being in drydock all of the time. Or like it's final destination will be run aground as a last ditch effort to stop the Americans from getting to the mainland. Or that it'll be picked off in one afternoon by planes because you sent it into territory you barely control with no escorts.


Oh, wait.

Oh, and before I forget, one of it's only confirmed kills was the Nisshin, which was used for target practice. While the Army was starving for steel, but Big Daddy Emperor chose to give it to the Navy instead. Whoops.

 

[Jackson123]

I disagree, when the Yamato was build in 1937, nobody could say for certain the time of battleship was going to be replaced by aircraft carriers, and you have to take into consideration that Japan is an island country, the Navy construction naturally have to be the priority as the army would be useless without the Navy to expand and protect their territorial water and overseas territory, the same way Great Britain build their military, the British Army had always been "less important", so to speak, compare to the attention the Royal Navy had gotten. The exact opposite happened to Germany, their surface fleet were absolutely hapless throughout the war in Atlantic while their army consumed most of the steel. As for the way the battleship was utilized, it was a policy mistake made by the Naval General Staff in their Kantai Kessen obsession, rather than it being the flaw in the ship herself. I'd say Yamato class would be useful if she could take part in those battle surrounding the Solomon Seas (where the Kongo class fought the only battleship engagement in Pacific)

Oh btw, I don't think the Japanese Army were really THAT lacking in terms of steel supplies, seeing they have the abundance of materials to build their own Aircraft Carrier, amphibious assault ship and submarines. Also the fact that the Japanese semi-mechanized forces in China faced serious difficulties due to their poor road condition and practically cannot manoeuver in mountainous terrain of South Eastern China, added to the fact that the Japanese frontline tanks did not develop further from Type 97 Chi Ha (which to be fair was a decent tank by 1938 standard when it was first introduced) that failed to compete with the US M4 Sherman in Pacific, does bring the question whether it's better to build a lot of tanks that would be useless or build one good weapon that were used wrongly.

 

[SpazTheButcher]

SpazTheButcher
If your crew isn't just anime versions of Brad Colbert, Trombley, Ray Person and either Hasser or Gabe, I might be a little disappointed.

Damnit, how did you know

 

[SpazTheButcher]

Also, i read about shinano

 

[Jackson123]

Damnit, how did you know

Can't wait to see your CS lol

 

[SpazTheButcher]

Wait, if I am correct, I can use a 60mm Mortar. It was made before August 15, 1945, and technically fits the guidelines

 

[CatJones]

Yeah, it might have been useful if it had been used in those battles. But it wasn't. And the issue of doctrine comes into account when aircraft carriers were being commissioned since 1922 for the US. The shift was happening already, the Japanese were way out maneuvered in that department. The difference being that when we sank their four main carriers at Midway, they never recovered and started losing ground faster. Yamato and Mushasi being killed off was the final nail in the coffin.

But building a warship that doesn't do anything and isn't cost effective for its constant repairs and for massive amounts of oil you need and can't get, because you're army can't hold what little territory you have that produces oil because you're now being outgunned by bigger and heavier tanks and can't compete because you can't get the resources you just lost to the enemy and what you do have is being focused on the Navy so they can defend the home island. Both were important for what they were doing. The British were cut off from their resources and yet they were still effective. Probably because they had two allies willing to sell them oil and lend-lease.

The yamato was useless. It didn't contribute to the war effort and was a waste of resources. I don't mind of you disagree, but that's how I feel about it. It should have been made for the Russo-Japaness war where it would have dominated

 

[Jackson123]

Wait, if I am correct, I can use a 60mm Mortar. It was made before August 15, 1945, and technically fits the guidelines

Dude, it's called Sensha-do, "way of combat vehicle"

 

[SpazTheButcher]

Dude, it's called Sensha-do, "way of combat vehicle"

I have an addiction.

 

[CatJones]

Technically couldn't he use the Churchill AVRE or the Ardee Maggie Churchill?

 

[Jackson123]

Yeah, it might have been useful if it had been used in those battles. But it wasn't. And the issue of doctrine comes into account when aircraft carriers were being commissioned since 1922 for the US. The shift was happening already, the Japanese were way out maneuvered in that department. The difference being that when we sank their four main carriers at Midway, they never recovered and started losing ground faster. Yamato and Mushasi being killed off was the final nail in the coffin.

But building a warship that doesn't do anything and isn't cost effective for its constant repairs and for massive amounts of oil you need and can't get, because you're army can't hold what little territory you have that produces oil because you're now being outgunned by bigger and heavier tanks and can't compete because you can't get the resources you just lost to the enemy and what you do have is being focused on the Navy so they can defend the home island. Both were important for what they were doing. The British were cut off from their resources and yet they were still effective. Probably because they had two allies willing to sell them oil and lend-lease.

The yamato was useless. It didn't contribute to the war effort and was a waste of resources. I don't mind of you disagree, but that's how I feel about it. It should have been made for the Russo-Japaness war sheet it would have dominated

Japanese literally build the world's first commissioned ship that was built as an aircraft carrier, the Hosho. So they were not in anyway out manoeuvered in that part, it's just that the planes in 1920s sucks. Don't forget the US also built battleships in that period. The Japanese Navy also have some weird bureaucracy going on in terms of how their aircraft and carriers operates, or how the Navy was operated in that manner that contribute to how they find hard times recovering from losses which the Yamato had nothing do do with, that being: ships could only be crewed by personnel registered in the same naval district the ship is registered.

So, say you're a sailor that enlisted in Sasebo, you can only crew the ships that belongs to the Sasebo Naval District (鎮守府), ships like battleship Kongo and Haruna, aircraft carriers Kaga and Hiryuu, light cruiser Kitakami and Abukuma, destroyer Akitsuki and Shigure etc etc, and you cannot be send to ship that are registered to other Naval District, thus ships like destroyer Shimakaze and Fubuki of Maizuru Naval District or battleship Yamashiro and Mutsu that are of Yokosuka Naval District are off limits to you, even when they suffered combat casualties and short handed. Pilots and planes are the same, each plane and pilots are belongs to their respective air group or aircraft carriers and there are a lot of paper works that needs to be done when they need to transfer them, and that wasted a lot of times when Zuikaku lost a a portion of her flight crews in Coral Seas, the ship only suffered minor damage but they cannot transfer pilots from the damaged Shokaku or other air base due to bureaucracy, forcing the Zuikaku to be absent from participating in Midway. Now you see there are more reason as to why the IJN finds it hard to recover from losses, it goes A LOT deeper than "the Yamato class used up a lot of resources". They did, but they could still build more than 10,000 A6M Zeroes, despite that they had build the super battleships. While yes they have to deal with shortage of resources, it also had to do with the way they operates things back then.

 

[SpazTheButcher]

Technically couldn't he use the Churchill AVRE or the Ardee Maggie Churchill?

Sorry, I already decided on an M4A3E8. Need to stick with the Murica vibes. Also, I am only using GK for music and names, everything else will be purely unique to avoid copyright

 

[CatJones]

Yeah, yeah, we could argue about it all day and I'll admit I'm not super familiar with every aspect of the war in the pacific, so I could easily be wrong on several parts. But, I will always see the Yamato as useless. Sorry, you won't change my mind on that one.

Sorry, I already decided on an M4A3E8. Need to stick with the Murica vibes. Also, I am only using GK for music and names, everything else will be purely unique to avoid copyright

Would be funny as shit to use the Crocodile. Can't kill the enemy tanks but their crew isn't conscious from heat exhaustion, so who really loses?

 

[SpazTheButcher]

Yeah, yeah, we could argue about it all day and I'll admit I'm not super familiar with every aspect of the war in the pacific, so I could easily be wrong on several parts. But, I will always see the Yamato as useless. Sorry, you won't change my mind on that one.



Would be funny as shit to use the Crocodile. Can't kill the enemy tanks but they crew isn't conscious from heat exhaustion, so who really loses?

No, we need a sherman zippo, so we can burn the enemy's cover away

 

[SpazTheButcher]

Or a callliope

 

[CatJones]

Calliope would be a good way to get some ranged attacks going.

 

[Jackson123]

rocket launchers go brrrrrrt

Do they even have that accuracy for tank combat tho

 

[CatJones]

rocket launchers go brrrrrrt

Do they even have that accuracy for tank combat tho

Targeting the entire grid on the map is a form of accuracy

 

[SpazTheButcher]

rocket launchers go brrrrrrt

Do they even have that accuracy for tank combat tho

Accuracy in numbers. You fire enough rockets, you will eventually hit 'em

 

[CatJones]

And if you don't hit any opponents, there won't be anything left to hide behind later anyway.