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RelicFire

Like the Phoenix I shall raise from the ashes
I asked a friend a very random question that has now got me thinking, far to hard, on the actual answer and I was hoping some other's might weigh in with their thoughts and options.

The Question:
If an Alternate version of yourself killed you, is it murder or suicide?



All the forensic evidence would say it's you. Or would the law look at it more as murder like if you had an identical twin who killed you? I mean you could probably get away with it in some states as "Assisted Suicide" if you knew how to twist the story and even then I don't know how a judge or jury could determine what to do in that situation...

My friend tried to plead the case with: "It was self-defense, if I didn't kill myself then I would cease to exist in this timeline."
But, if there's no signs of a struggle is it truly self-defense? Is a preemptive strike to keep your existence really a defense? Can you prove your statement? Why does your existence in this timeline out weigh his right to live?


Sadly My friend said his brain hurts thinking about/like this so I was hoping to find someone who would be up to debating the legality of killing an alternate version of yourself.
 

BreeDav

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I think forensics would point to a staged suicide. So yes, it may be mistaken for a suicide, but I’d argue that it’s murder. You from a different time line is not you. You #2 (alt time line) May have been born with the same genetic tendency toward a certain personality, but by definition of “alternate timeline” they didn’t experience the same life or self defining moments as you did.

I would say that the real discussion of “you” or “not you” is if a you from your timeline traveled back from the future and killed you.
 

RelicFire

Like the Phoenix I shall raise from the ashes
I would say that the real discussion of “you” or “not you” is if a you from your timeline traveled back from the future and killed you.
Which brings in the question is it possible to travel backwards in time? Because how do you go back and kill yourself it causes a complete paradox! Because if you go back and kill yourself you wouldn't be alive to go back and kill yourself. Right?
 

Simon_Hawk

I’m like walking heroin, very habit forming.
I would say it would be a weird case of suicide only if you were the exact person from the SAME timeline. Saying the word "Alternate" implies a difference, in which case I would have to say it is flat out murder, as @BreeDav says "You from a different timeline is not you. "
 

BreeDav

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There is an understanding in physics that everything needs to be reversible. Of course, there are exceptions to the rule, but for the most part it is true. So, assuming that there is technology to go forwards in time, There is technology to go backwards in time. I’m not a subscriber to the idea that a paradox is some sort of time line implosion. I think it is a divergence point where one time line becomes two alternate time lines. So, at the moment of the killing, you are the same person. But once the killing is done, you are no longer the same as your timelines have now diverged.

Which I suppose brings us back to the original question.
 

RelicFire

Like the Phoenix I shall raise from the ashes
Alternate doesn't mean completely different, some would argue for every right turn you have made in your life an alternate version of you has made a left turn. There's an endless number of possible different versions of yourself but that doesn't mean any of them would be THAT different from the you yourself knows.

One could also argue that no one truly knows themselves or that others know us either. Because even in a single timeline there are countless versions of yourself. The you, you think you are. The you that friends and family know you as. The you, your enemies know. Everyone sees everyone as something/someone else. So alternate in the sense that I am using it for with this hypothetical question is just means not the you that you know.
 

Simon_Hawk

I’m like walking heroin, very habit forming.
One could also argue that no one truly knows themselves or that others know us either. Because even in a single timeline there are countless versions of yourself. The you, you think you are. The you that friends and family know you as. The you, your enemies know. Everyone sees everyone as something/someone else.
But those are really just examples of "perception" something totally different from an ACTUAL alternate version of yourself. You can only be yourself, how people perceive you is something completely different.
 

RelicFire

Like the Phoenix I shall raise from the ashes
So you're saying that an entire alternate world couldn't be made by someone else's perception? People believe that if I choose to say no there's another version of me that said yes, yet you don't think that an alternate version of you is created by manifesting what people perceive?
 

Simon_Hawk

I’m like walking heroin, very habit forming.
I guess I look at it like this if 4 people are on an airplane and one of them thinks it's scary the other thinks it is fun, one guy thinks it's taking forever, and the last person perceives it as going by quickly. Bottom line is they're still on an airplane. Seems like we are all on the same "airplane" and our perception didn't create MORE airplanes. I mean really, that is just human arrogance to assume our very thoughts and perceptions are capable of creating alternation timelines, that to me is pretty laughable.
 

RelicFire

Like the Phoenix I shall raise from the ashes
But it's not laughable that our decisions and actions can create alternate timelines and universe?

If me choosing to turn to the right can create an alternate timeline where I go left is that not the exact same thing as if I stood there and vividly thought of going one way or another and yet stood perfectly still or went straight? I'm not trying to be arrogant, but I'm just saying that from the stand point of there being an infinite number of timelines and universes how is it so hard to believe that every fairy tale a child dreams up hasn't become a new reality?
 

Simon_Hawk

I’m like walking heroin, very habit forming.
The sheer amount of energy required to even assume that thinking something would create an alternate timeline or universe is mind boggling. Pretty sure our thoughts lack that kind of juice, I know my brain barely works on a watch battery lol
 

RelicFire

Like the Phoenix I shall raise from the ashes
So you're going off of the basis that it takes too much energy? That makes me think of the Wendigo, which is a creature that is powered by more people thinking about it. The more people thinking about it the more alive and powerful it becomes.
But if enough people believe in the infinite universe theory isn't it safe to say it too could become reality? Or is it to fantastical to believe in such a dream?
 
i hope an alternate version of me does not exist. Because if he had a better life than me, I'd kill him to replace him. And because I think that, he'd probably do the same vice versa. So we'd be locked in a game of predicting each other and predicting ourselves. A mind game where I try to think about what I would do if I was in his position in order to prepare. But if this is me, then he would know that I would adapt to what I think he would do. And I would know that he would know that I would try to adapt to what he would do.

It would either end up in both of us dying or both of us living.
 

BackSet

Rude Blockheaded Crouton
i hope an alternate version of me does not exist. Because if he had a better life than me, I'd kill him to replace him. And because I think that, he'd probably do the same vice versa. So we'd be locked in a game of predicting each other and predicting ourselves. A mind game where I try to think about what I would do if I was in his position in order to prepare. But if this is me, then he would know that I would adapt to what I think he would do. And I would know that he would know that I would try to adapt to what he would do.

It would either end up in both of us dying or both of us living.
Your life would become a spy vs spy comic.
 

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