Opinion Historical Thread. "Questioning the WW2."

[Thatoneflawedhero]

It's for more extensive defense only
It's to keep South Korea covered, to keep themselves from being hit, and to be a level 2 barrier against any strike against the U.S.
They haven't intervened militarily in any international conflict since 1945.



*begins to sprint*

Korea has a Military, that's good enough.

 

[Hall Kervean]

Off topic at this point; but preparedness. There's not stellar odds that the U.S. would be able to shoot down an incoming DPRK missile. If South Korea can't hit it down when it's launching (it's most vulnerable time), then Japan needs to have the next shot. They have more and better stuff, and they're actually the best option to shoot it down.




*breaks Mach 1*

 

[Thatoneflawedhero]

Off topic at this point; but preparedness. There's not stellar odds that the U.S. would be able to shoot down an incoming DPRK missile. If South Korea can't hit it down when it's launching (it's most vulnerable time), then Japan needs to have the next shot. They have more and better stuff, and they're actually the best option to shoot it down.




*breaks Mach 1*

They already have a defense type thing.

 

[Axel The Englishman]

Then you have us Brits over here. I'm sure Kim doesn't think of us as much of a target for his nukes, right?

 

[Thatoneflawedhero]

Then you have us Brits over here. I'm sure Kim doesn't think of us as much of a target for his nukes, right?

No, but I doubt he cares for you guys considering you're a friend of the 'traitorous' south and America

 

[Hall Kervean]

Then you have us Brits over here. I'm sure Kim doesn't think of us as much of a target for his nukes, right?

"Andorra has gone too far this time; provoking our state time and again. This time, they have woken the bear of the North Korean military. Andorra should be prepared for a full invasion at any point. We will land on their beaches, storm their deserts and rivers, and show them what power the DPRK possesses!"

 

[Hall Kervean]

They already have a defense type thing.

There's not stellar odds that the U.S. would be able to shoot down an incoming DPRK missile.

 

[Thatoneflawedhero]

"Andorra has gone too far this time; provoking our state time and again. This time, they have woken the bear of the North Korean military. Andorra should be prepared for a full invasion at any point. We will land on their beaches, storm their deserts and rivers, and show them what power the DPRK possesses!"

Since we're on North Korea, how the fuck does Kim hate America but yet like American media



No like Japan has a defense league

 

[Axel The Englishman]

You mean the Japanese Self-Defence Forces?

 

[Thatoneflawedhero]

You mean the Japanese Self-Defence Forces?

If that's what it's called yeah.

 

[Hall Kervean]

Yeah
And they never said they wanted to make an offensive army. And they don't plan on making one.
The current debate is whether they can basically revamp it and make it better at its job. One of the reasons is to provide an additional defense between the United States and North Korea.
Again, as a nonprofessional who is throwing out probably optimistic numbers,
One North Korean missile will have a 99% chance of being shot down, since it will be tracked from launch and is not an advanced missile.
On the other hand, one Russian missile (ignoring Alaska) has about a 95% chance of being shot down.
Alaska has like a 20% chance of getting shot down.

 

[Bacon is fluffy]

Nazis started the war yes. (Not to mention brought Holocaust into EU but on that in a second.) However, the result of the Third Reich being created in the first place was because of misunderstandings and hard feelings after the war. A lot of this could have been prevented if the Treaty set by the allied forces was different. The lack of communication between the sides after the war also didn't fix anything. Drowning Germany in hard feelings after the war. It took one man to say stop to this nonsense and soon most of Germany followed. At the time Poland has been warning England that Germany is getting a large militarized force and that they should strike before it gets too powerful. England, as well as France, ignored the matter completely resulting from the Third Reich in starting the war with the march through Poland. (Why Poland was targeted in the first place instead of Allied forces country? Well, that is because Adolf was afraid that if they would make a rush for France. They would leave their back completely open to attacks from Poland. So in order to not give Poland a reason to strike them first they would do it themselves. Polish military was under equipped to even try and attack Germany. That's why Poland asked for assistance on the matter. )

So let's begin by saying that yes, world war 1 was indeed fucked up. All sides were on the verge of collapse and all sides essentially destroyed a generation of young men, in order to wage a war that they simply could not stop once the ball got rolling. Germany in many ways is to blame because Bismarck had a similar foreign policy procedure to that of detente. If everyone had alliances and everyone was at odds with eachother, no one would pull the trigger and start the chain reaction. When a man like that creates a delicate form of foreign policy, he inevitably opens up the rest of the world to the danger of what happens when people who aren't at the Bismarck level. He was playing footsie with the rest of europe and it just so happened to come crashing down upon everyone when russia's retard leader decided it was time to white knight a terrorist organization in Serbia. World war one was such a huge conflict that not even SJW's can put a racial spin on it. It's a convoluted mess that at its very core, was on the germany's leader for creating the conditions for the alliance system, then egging on austrio hungary fellas to take down serbia. Knowing it would piss russia off if they did so. So I can't completely blame germany here,but I do blame them for getting the helping the snowball get started.

However it is true that at the end of the day, the world's big western powers depleted a generation of young men to the meat grinder. It was unfair and unwise to put everything on germany, just because they were the last to fall. However no matter how unwise Britain and france were. From their placing this burden on one nation(both economically and morally) or letting them rearm due to appeasement in the 20's and 30's. What needs to be said is Germany reaped what they sowed.

Communists(Russians.) weren't as good as people draw them to. During their march through Poland, their army has robbed, raped and even killed innocent civilians. (Killed only the ones which tried to resist one of the two. Which keep in mind that polish people didn't have much as their country has been torn by the war.) (Also Russia signed a Treaty with Germany that half of the Poland would be theirs. Which Adolf broke later on with blitzkrieg tactics going straight for Russian land. This still doesn't change the fact that they agreed upon splitting Poland into two for their own gain.) Let's not mention created by Joseph Stalin order No.227 which lead to counter attack of the Blitzkrieg tactics at the cost of human life. Which mattered very little. Resulting in insensitive approach towards their own citizens that were elected to be soldiers. Also, let's not forget about the worst War crime possible on people on Poland. On 5 March 1940. In Katyn's Woods, about 21 700 people have been executed by the ZSRR. 10 thousand of them were officers of Military and Police. The rest were reserve draftees. A lot of them were normal citizens but in the end, they have been called "The Enemy of ZSRR." There were a lot of more cases of this. On 27th January. In the small town of "Przyszowice", 69 people have been killed. Age varying from 10 to 78 years, Including the French and Hungarian citizens that escaped "KL Auschwitz". All of this happened because The Red army thought it was already on German land and the command didn't care how the citizens under enemy rule were treated by their own army.

America made a deal with the devil. Stalin and communism was another form of dictatorship. It was a modern form of Feudalism based on class struggle(SOUND FAMILIAR CUZ IT SHOULD) and funneling all the wealth to the government. While castro was worth 900 million, his people were in shambles. Poor and destitute. Communism and nazism are both of the same vien,but stalin was just on the right side of the conflict. lol

I just wanted to add that to what you said. There should be no uncertainty about the cruelty and empirical evil that is communism.

Let's back track on the topic of Germany again. During their holocaust program in Poland. Not only Jews went to Concentration camps. Polish citizens that weren't killed on the spot for any sort of resistance was send to those. Where they wouldn't get any diffrent treatment from any normal Jews.
There was also an order set secretly by Chief of Gestapo Heinrich Müller. On the march of 1944. Which revolved around Catching the escapees from any concentration camp and send them back to Mauthausen-Gusen to have then Executed. Which was against the Geneva Conventions. This is only the tip of the mountain.

Germany tried to eradicate the gays, the non white arian germans, the crippled, the handicapped, the old, the babies of these people and so much more.

Finally on the topic of Allied forces. The only response to the War was only made when England had their pants on fire due to the German aircraft attacks. Resulting in the Battle of Brittan. Which could have been prevented if the allied forces would have responded to the matter immediately instead of ignoring it till the last second. Not to mention constant covering up of Poland's achievements in the attempt to discredit their efforts in the war. Which was pretty big considering that some of the best pilots that have defended Brittan during the battle of Britain were in fact polish. Not to mention that after the war Poland has been just handed out to Russia (ZSRR at the time) leading it to have a period of time on communist rule. They fucked up the least in my opinion. Although the fact that Churchill made good attempts to Discredit polish effort in the war and the fact that nobody cared what happends to poland after the war was really cold coming from the side poland tried to help the most while they couldn't help themselfs.

I don't know much about poland,but the United states wasn't in the wrong for not putting their nose into european affairs. Because now they have their fingers in everyone's cookie jar around the world and can attack any one at any time because we beleive that we have the moral highground. So if you ask me what's worse, it would be our current situation rather than the previous reluctance to fix europe's problems.

but I will agree on one thing. Teaming up with stalin was like making a deal with the devil. But depending on who you ask, it can be seen as a necessary evil. personally? I won't ever forget that hitler could have been in stalin's shoes, if the situation was just slightly different.

 

[TheRockInception]

Gosh darn it, I must have traveled into another dimension.

...What exactly is the point of this thread? I mean, like, the war ended 72 years ago, and I pray to the Lord that everyone knows that the root cause was...
What exactly is the point about theorizing a major international conflict that already happened 7 decades ago?
If this were about, say, the Bermuda Triangle or something silly, why not, but... gosh darn I'm in another dimension again.

 

[Bacon is fluffy]

Gosh darn it, I must have traveled into another dimension.

...What exactly is the point of this thread? I mean, like, the war ended 72 years ago, and I pray to the Lord that everyone knows that the root cause was...
What exactly is the point about theorizing a major international conflict that already happened 7 decades ago?
If this were about, say, the Bermuda Triangle or something silly, why not, but... gosh darn I'm in another dimension again.

Because some people have a fascination with history? I can't tell if your question is a joke or not, as some people are concerned with the events of the earth's very conception. Is that also a frivolous pursuit?

 

[TheRockInception]

Because some people have a fascination with history? I can't tell if your question is a joke or not, as some people are concerned with the events of the earth's very conception. Is that also a frivolous pursuit?

Pal, I'm a WW2 buff and know the war inside and out. My gist of the OP was that he was analyzing what everyone already knows.

 

[Bacon is fluffy]

Pal, I'm a WW2 buff and know the war inside and out. My gist of the OP was that he was analyzing what everyone already knows.

He's giving his perspective and take on the war, mostly from a moral standpoint. I don't see what's wrong with that, given the section. Pal

 

[TheRockInception]

He's giving his perspective and take on the war, mostly from a moral standpoint. I don't see what's wrong with that, given the section. Pal

...which is the perspective literally the average American holds, or high school textbook. I just don't understand what the point of theorizing about a major historical event in human history when we know everything there is to know about, especially after 7 decades

 

[Bacon is fluffy]

...which is the perspective literally the average American holds, or high school textbook. I just don't understand what the point of theorizing about a major historical event in human history when we know everything there is to know about, especially after 7 decades

The point is to bother people like you.

 

[TheRockInception]

Gosh darn it I try to post an unoffensive picture and it's too much for the world to handle so here you go

 

[Bacon is fluffy]

Gosh darn it I try to post an unoffensive picture and it's too much for the world to handle so here you go

Simpletons such as yourself, just can't handle the truth. Take the blue pill and go home, Jimmy.

 

[TheRockInception]

Simpletons such as yourself, just can't handle the truth. Take the blue pill and go home, Jimmy.

 

[CastoffCaptain]

 

[MarinesThePsychoticReaper]

Gosh darn it, I must have traveled into another dimension.

...What exactly is the point of this thread? I mean, like, the war ended 72 years ago, and I pray to the Lord that everyone knows that the root cause was...
What exactly is the point about theorizing a major international conflict that already happened 7 decades ago?
If this were about, say, the Bermuda Triangle or something silly, why not, but... gosh darn I'm in another dimension again.

Because the current generation does not understand why Each side in history was bad. The current generation thinks that Nazis were the big bad and since they follow the Very good guy beliefs (communism). Calling anyone a facist gives them the right to beat them right the fuck up. This thread is made in order to teach at least small portion of the RPN community that had history lacks when it comes to WW2.

But besides that, I love the topics of history and discussing them lets us summarise what went wrong and what WE SHOULD NEVER DO AGAIN. So humanity wouldn't be stuck in a loop of pointless destruction committing the same mistakes.

(Also not to point out. If you are sick of History. Then don't partake in discussions revolving around it. Telling people not to discuss something makes you look bad and the discussion goes off topic because of it.)

 

[MarinesThePsychoticReaper]

Anyways people Let's not Meme out of the topic guys. Stick to the original topic of the thread.

 

[TheRockInception]

Because the current generation does not understand why Each side in history was bad. The current generation thinks that Nazis were the big bad and since they follow the Very good guy beliefs (communism). Calling anyone a facist gives them the right to beat them right the fuck up. This thread is made in order to teach at least small portion of the RPN community that had history lacks when it comes to WW2.

But besides that, I love the topics of history and discussing them lets us summarise what went wrong and what WE SHOULD NEVER DO AGAIN. So humanity wouldn't be stuck in a loop of pointless destruction committing the same mistakes.

(Also not to point out. If you are sick of History. Then don't partake in discussions revolving around it. Telling people not to discuss something makes you look bad and the discussion goes off topic because of it.)

Well, firstly, I'm not sure anyone on this site said that communism isn't the big bad (if so, this sort of thing belongs in PM's so you can politely debate that person), and secondly, if you want to talk about the evils of communism, it isn't limited to World War 2. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics oppressed many countries after they were captured from German hands over a span of half a century. The USSR committed much more evil before the war and after it.
I'm also very sure that nobody here is really interested in running for public office, if so prove me wrong. No, I am not sick of history. I love it and read it regularly, however if your main purpose in the original post was to theorize an event that occurred 70 years, then that is honestly quite uneeded. I did not say you can't discuss WWII, it's just that there is no relevence to discussing it in a role-playing community when no event in the community has warranted its need.