Realistic or Modern A Nation's heart split in twain

[AiDEE-c0]

We ourselves, we ourselves must save ourselves! We shall defend ourselves to the last breath. We shall build a barricade of bodies and hearts. Our regiments, thrown against the enemy, battle with a dire courage; but they cannot hold, unless they are reinforced. We call all men: you must supersede them. Hear, we call all men to the last. We call you, men of this land: hear the call. Hear the call, hear the call to arms! We call you, women of this land: stand in, bear now the work of your husbands and sons, which you shall send to the battalions!

It is no longer a human voice that calls you, but your motherland itself. I, the motherland call all men to the last!
Me, the motherland pleads to her sons: defend me, defend my children!

Hey there, welcome to my lovely little wall of text.
A Nation's heart split in twain is an idea I had on my mind for quite some time now. Its goal is to go over the fates of several individuals caught within one of the most horrific events a nation can experience; a civil war. Taking place in a country of no real name, it'll be happening during the equivalent of our late thirties, with technology and all to compliment that. Of course, most of the inspiration will be taken from what is quite likely the most infamous European civil war of modern history; the Spanish civil war. The conflict itself will mostly be boiled down to the clash of two opposing sides, but characters on any side will very much be entitled to their own beliefs, speaking of which...

The two sides:
The Whites - Tradition, religion, and country. The Whites represent the old world, desiring strict hierarchy, refusing change and putting high emphasis on the traditions of their ancestors. Their ranks are formed by the professional military, officers, nobles, church representatives, nationalists, and anything of the sort. At the beginning of the war, their support is lesser to that of their enemy and they are the ones more likely to utilize extreme means to rat out their opponents.

The Blacks - Progress, freedom, and liberty. The Blacks stand at the center of the hurricane that is the new world, wanting progress, equality, and liberty above all else, or so they claim. Their number is counted by workers, politicians of the old republic that fell apart, socialists, volunteers from near and far, democrats, et cetera. The Blacks enjoy wide-spread support from the younger generations, students and village-folk. Their military training tends to be rather lacking.

The going of the war itself will be determined by the actions of the characters, there will be major consequences to major decisions.
You may choose to start out with either side or simply as a civilian caught in the crossfire.
The roleplay itself won't start in the middle of the war, but rather shortly before its beginning.
Any further questions will be answered.

 

[Braddington]

Oh, this looks very interesting! I love the premise! The Spanish Civil War has been a pet topic of mine as I have been reading the Battle for Spain. Hit me up if this gains more interest!

 

[Ya Boi]

This looks promising. Sign me up!

 

[High Moon]

Gotta save the nation from Socialist lowlifes.

 

[Slav]

Count me in

 

[Axel The Englishman]

I must fight to secure liberty, from both the theocrats and the socialists.

 

[AiDEE-c0]

Oh my, I appreciate everyone's interest in this here idea. I'll be setting up the OOC and character sheet posts later this evening.

 

[Historical Storyteller]

Gotta save the nation from Socialist lowlifes.

I must fight to secure liberty, from both the theocrats and the socialists.

Hey, I'm not entirely sure of what this story is about, but count me as one of your own! Also, I'm not sure if I'll stick around for the story, I just want to check if I can write again. When the time comes, I'll decide whether to stay or not. For the meantime, I'm pleased to make your acquaintance.

We're starting out with a lot of vague ideas, but let's see if we can make something good out of it. Hey, maybe we can even make a decent story if we just try.

Oh, this looks very interesting! I love the premise! The Spanish Civil War has been a pet topic of mine as I have been reading the Battle for Spain. Hit me up if this gains more interest!

I'm tapping in all the information I got on the subject. So far, I got a murky picture of the conflict. Sure, I know that some people fight because they want this and that, people like to fight for their own interests, but I don't know where they're coming from. Spain's got a rich history, a history that it shares with many nations, so it'll be challenging to keep track of all the developments. What've you got from the book so far?

 

[Athanas]

Definitely Interested!

 

[AiDEE-c0]

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Athanas Historical Storyteller Axel The Englishman Slav High Moon Ya Boi Braddington

 

[High Moon]

Wtf happened to this thread?

 

[Braddington]

I'm tapping in all the information I got on the subject. So far, I got a murky picture of the conflict. Sure, I know that some people fight because they want this and that, people like to fight for their own interests, but I don't know where they're coming from. Spain's got a rich history, a history that it shares with many nations, so it'll be challenging to keep track of all the developments. What've you got from the book so far?

Generally the backdrop of the whole conflict, the groups and figures involved, the regional nationalism and the various peoples. Especially in Catalonia and the Basque country. It's a fascinating conflict, one of the most interesting things about it is the fact it was basically the playground of the German, Italian and Soviet forces. Testing new theories, especially in the air. Shaping ideologies, especially with the Russian "consolidation" over the Republican forces. Factor in the what if's like, "What if the Republican forces held on just that little bit longer so the second world war kicked off mid-conflict, as the leaders wanted?"

It's just a fantastic era of history. A pinpointing of the 20th century all inside a single nation and a glimpse of all the struggles that were too come. Right up into the fall of the Soviet Union.

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Athanas Historical Storyteller Axel The Englishman Slav High Moon Ya Boi Braddington

Awesome!

 

[AiDEE-c0]

no idea, but it's back now
High Moon

 

[Historical Storyteller]

Strange, but I wouldn't think much of it.

Generally the backdrop of the whole conflict, the groups and figures involved, the regional nationalism and the various peoples. Especially in Catalonia and the Basque country. It's a fascinating conflict, one of the most interesting things about it is the fact it was basically the playground of the German, Italian and Soviet forces. Testing new theories, especially in the air. Shaping ideologies, especially with the Russian "consolidation" over the Republican forces. Factor in the what if's like, "What if the Republican forces held on just that little bit longer so the second world war kicked off mid-conflict, as the leaders wanted?"

It's just a fantastic era of history. A pinpointing of the 20th century all inside a single nation and a glimpse of all the struggles that were too come. Right up into the fall of the Soviet Union.



Awesome!

I see, if I may ask, which faction would you intend to join?

I'm torn, on one hand, I'd like to pick a liberal that's pressing for reform, the object in mind is to pass on the rights and responsibilities of the ancient nobility onto the shoulders of the middle class. He wants an overhaul of the administration and a change of management, since there's little opportunity for the nation to grow if the nobles remain in power. On the other hand, he's devout, believing in old principles that have guided men for thousands of years. And to simply destroy a tried and tested system is nothing but pure unadulterated insanity. He is not willing to side with forces of progress if they cannot respect tradition. Then there are the communists, the socialists, the fascists, and all sorts of madmen he'd have to deal with that would leave him feeling plenty bitter. He'd have a hard time deciding which side to pick.

 

[Axel The Englishman]

Historical Storyteller I see we have much in common, you and I.

 

[High Moon]

Strange, but I wouldn't think much of it.



I see, if I may ask, which faction would you intend to join?

I'm torn, on one hand, I'd like to pick a liberal that's pressing for reform, the object in mind is to pass on the rights and responsibilities of the ancient nobility onto the shoulders of the middle class. He wants an overhaul of the administration and a change of management, since there's little opportunity for the nation to grow if the nobles remain in power. On the other hand, he's devout, believing in old principles that have guided men for thousands of years. And to simply destroy a tried and tested system is nothing but pure unadulterated insanity. He is not willing to side with forces of progress if they cannot respect tradition. Then there are the communists, the socialists, the fascists, and all sorts of madmen he'd have to deal with that would leave him feeling plenty bitter. He'd have a hard time deciding which side to pick.

Ain't got much of a choice in a setting like this friend. The traditionalists will be a bunch of disgruntled Military officers seeking to create a Military Junta or even an outright Dictatorship if We go with individual ambitions. There are of course real nationalists in their ranks but Liberal thought And democracy won't be something you'll see in their camp. If you want a Organized, effecient and stable system yet heavy handed yet Autocratic system The Whites should be for you. On the other hand the Blacks would be a lose coalition of Left-Wing to Centre Militias And Parties, They can vary between being Semi-Organized to an Anarchic mess So that side should be reviewed by a fraction to fraction basis rather than as a whole.

 

[Braddington]

Historical Storyteller

I sort of have my eye on the idealistic young socialist. Eager to fight for the cause, when in essence he doesn't really know what that means. Willing to die for a principle even though he has no idea how that principle actually works. Utopia-ism.

 

[TYPE]

This seems like all kinds of fun. I will be keeping an eye on this. For sure.

 

[Historical Storyteller]

Sorry guys, had to go to sleep. It was late in my side of the world, past midnight.

Historical Storyteller I see we have much in common, you and I.

Aye, I'm for liberalism and for the preservation of our cultural identity. I have no personal enmity for the nobility, but they got to go and make way for the modern world. I believe they can still contribute to the effort of industrialization, but they own too much property, and it would take too damned long to get on their good side. The 20th century's gotta get a move on, and that can't happen if we're stuck in a heavily regulated bureaucracy at least three centuries old. Our nation needs to compete or it will be doomed to failure in the far future. And to begin that, we badly need that change of management, for the middle classes to run the administration, so as to create a competent and efficient government for the good of the country.

If we let the socialists and the communists run the system, they'll be even worse than the nobility, or at least just as bad. They can't run a government that has the heart of Robin Hood, they'll have to kill too many people to take away the wealth and rights of the middle classes, the nobility, and the clergy. Just look at Stalin or Mao, its well-known that they created such a big bloodbath, and if they did it that means they probably had to. I don't know the reason why, but if such a system requires that you have to kill off massive numbers of your own people, you'll just kill off your own future in the long-run. If we let socialism or communism rule the country, we will be paying the price forever.

Its hard to define fascism, but I sure as hell know they are extremists. I haven't studied Mussolini, so I ain't got a clue to the nature of this system. If you could tell me just what kind of people they are, it would be appreciated.

Historical Storyteller

I sort of have my eye on the idealistic young socialist. Eager to fight for the cause, when in essence he doesn't really know what that means. Willing to die for a principle even though he has no idea how that principle actually works. Utopia-ism.

Ah, I'd like my character to be one of MPs (military police) or the civil guard. His duty is to maintain the public peace, suppress whatever lawless elements that creep up, and in situations of dire need, fight for the cause of his country. He'd live in interesting times, I bet many of his comrades have gone socialist, while other pals are staunch traditionalists. There'll be a massive fight inside the guard, that's for sure, and it ain't going to be pretty.

Ain't got much of a choice in a setting like this friend. The traditionalists will be a bunch of disgruntled Military officers seeking to create a Military Junta or even an outright Dictatorship if We go with individual ambitions. There are of course real nationalists in their ranks but Liberal thought And democracy won't be something you'll see in their camp. If you want a Organized, effecient and stable system yet heavy handed yet Autocratic system The Whites should be for you. On the other hand the Blacks would be a lose coalition of Left-Wing to Centre Militias And Parties, They can vary between being Semi-Organized to an Anarchic mess So that side should be reviewed by a fraction to fraction basis rather than as a whole.

That's the thing, nobody's the same. Everybody's got a different stake, some have individual ambitions, and are willing to throw the country into chaos to achieve it. But to start a war and to waste so many lives all for a dictatorship or junta is just madness. Are you deeply convinced that all our senior leadership is composed of such self-serving individuals? So selfish, as to disregard the lives of their own men, the lives of their own people, and the fate of their own country? If so, they will not last long, if things are allowed to go their way, they will only lead everyone to the path of destruction.

 

[High Moon]

That's the thing, nobody's the same. Everybody's got a different stake, some have individual ambitions, and are willing to throw the country into chaos to achieve it. But to start a war and to waste so many lives all for a dictatorship or junta is just madness. Are you deeply convinced that all our senior leadership is composed of such self-serving individuals? So selfish, as to disregard the lives of their own men, the lives of their own people, and the fate of their own country? If so, they will not last long, if things are allowed to go their way, they will only lead everyone to the path of destruction.

I think everyone, no matter their side act on their own selfish desires, They may believe in a cause but That's just a thin layer to cover behind, to justify their goals. Also A Junta or Dictatorship is normal For the time period, Finally it can last long after all Franco who reigned as the regent for the Monarchy until his death in 1975 was the longest reigning among his fellow Fascist dictators And still has people who revere him and his rule, citing the fact that Spain under his rule was a stable Nation with minimal crime rate thanks to his harsh policies. As well as people who hate him, like Catalons And Republicans but that is to be expected.

 

[AiDEE-c0]

Will set up the main thread sometime this week.

 

[Historical Storyteller]

I think everyone, no matter their side act on their own selfish desires, They may believe in a cause but That's just a thin layer to cover behind, to justify their goals. Also A Junta or Dictatorship is normal For the time period, Finally it can last long after all Franco who reigned as the regent for the Monarchy until his death in 1975 was the longest reigning among his fellow Fascist dictators And still has people who revere him and his rule, citing the fact that Spain under his rule was a stable Nation with minimal crime rate thanks to his harsh policies. As well as people who hate him, like Catalons And Republicans but that is to be expected.

If you say so.