But shouldn't we at least respect their service and sacrifices?
RpNation
Axel The Englishman
Wackadoodle0987
Not respect their service, no. Appreciate their good intent (in some cases), but otherwise all they've done is pop off, murder some people, and get themselves killed. That's the extent of war.
It's a shame people die for it, but their deaths don't automatically mean they made a worthwhile sacrifice.
It's a shame people die for it, but their deaths don't automatically mean they made a worthwhile sacrifice.
Wackadoodle0987
I think you completely misunderstood my message.
Captain Hesperus
No, I don't think I did.
Wackadoodle0987
If you understood it, you wouldn't have implied I was expressing ingratitude.
Wackadoodle0987
Oh... there was a repeated post of yours, I tried deleting one and it deleted both. Sorry.
Captain Hesperus
As you say.
Wackadoodle0987
Hm. I'll assume that's an implication as to my dishonesty, for which I can assure you it is not.
Regardless, my point was that those whom died during the wars did so for an effort undeserving of their sacrifice. It was that they died needlessly, for a sake so preposterously unnecessary that their sacrifice should not be admired; but rather a lesson that we should not repeat such actions.
Fighting for one's country, because the others are the enemy. A notion that will eternally result in conflict. Considering WWII, there were a few select, influential individuals whom acted against the wills of a great many, and thus caused the deaths of millions by involving their 'country's' armies in the matter of disagreement. And thus, I express my distaste for what happened, and also why it happened... a reason that should not be mourned, but rather understood and avoided.
Aside from this, so many only mourn those of their home country; and few mourn those lost by the enemy. We would mourn and admire our own, but what of those that our own killed; we mourn those too... but to what end to we continue to mourn the loss and not reprimand those that caused such loss. They did it to each other, to themselves, for a reason below them.
" In honor to the brave men and women, of all races and religions, who bravely gave everything they had so that future generations may be free to speak freely."
I'm glad that you recognise all in your homage to them, but 'bravely gave everything.... so that future generations may be free to speak freely.' -- This excludes a great many that died in the war... in fact probably 90% of soldiers and otherwise aides. Bravely, recklessly, unknowingly, unwillingly... people were drafted, people joined out of peer pressure or familial obligation, others because they wanted to be 'in on it', others because they just wanted to kill something... and a small few that fought for what was right, but did so under misguided notions that what they fought for was, indeed, right.
And then what of those that fought for the opposition. Germans fought for what many of them thought was right, as did the British, as did the Russians, French, Australians, Italians, Japanese, etc. etc. -- They didn't fight for future generations, if it was for future generations there wouldn't have been any fight; they fought for themselves, for their friends and family, and for twisted and ridiculous ideals.
"GOD bless you, one and all, those who have served and passed in service, those who passed after serving, those who served and continue today and those who serve currently."
I nice sentiment, but ultimately contradictory. You say 'of all... religions', and I will assume this also includes atheists, thus by offering blessing to a large group that don't care for it and few even offended.
"Your sacrifices will not be forgotten, regardless of the attitudes of those too young and too foolish to know the horrors of conflict."
Unfortunately, most have been forgotten. Aside from that, age has little to do with knowing the horrors of conflict, but rather one's experience with it, and/or interest in it. There are toddlers with more experience in life's cruelty than those that have lived and died a full life. Now fools, yes, I'll acquiesce they'll never understand things as well or as unfortunately as others of more gifted intellect.
So, as I've said. It's a shame so many died in wars undeserving of their efforts. I am not ungrateful for their effort, for that would imply there is something to be grateful for; I merely hold sympathy for their vain deaths; and contempt for how they and so many others allowed such an occurrence to come about.
Regardless, my point was that those whom died during the wars did so for an effort undeserving of their sacrifice. It was that they died needlessly, for a sake so preposterously unnecessary that their sacrifice should not be admired; but rather a lesson that we should not repeat such actions.
Fighting for one's country, because the others are the enemy. A notion that will eternally result in conflict. Considering WWII, there were a few select, influential individuals whom acted against the wills of a great many, and thus caused the deaths of millions by involving their 'country's' armies in the matter of disagreement. And thus, I express my distaste for what happened, and also why it happened... a reason that should not be mourned, but rather understood and avoided.
Aside from this, so many only mourn those of their home country; and few mourn those lost by the enemy. We would mourn and admire our own, but what of those that our own killed; we mourn those too... but to what end to we continue to mourn the loss and not reprimand those that caused such loss. They did it to each other, to themselves, for a reason below them.
" In honor to the brave men and women, of all races and religions, who bravely gave everything they had so that future generations may be free to speak freely."
I'm glad that you recognise all in your homage to them, but 'bravely gave everything.... so that future generations may be free to speak freely.' -- This excludes a great many that died in the war... in fact probably 90% of soldiers and otherwise aides. Bravely, recklessly, unknowingly, unwillingly... people were drafted, people joined out of peer pressure or familial obligation, others because they wanted to be 'in on it', others because they just wanted to kill something... and a small few that fought for what was right, but did so under misguided notions that what they fought for was, indeed, right.
And then what of those that fought for the opposition. Germans fought for what many of them thought was right, as did the British, as did the Russians, French, Australians, Italians, Japanese, etc. etc. -- They didn't fight for future generations, if it was for future generations there wouldn't have been any fight; they fought for themselves, for their friends and family, and for twisted and ridiculous ideals.
"GOD bless you, one and all, those who have served and passed in service, those who passed after serving, those who served and continue today and those who serve currently."
I nice sentiment, but ultimately contradictory. You say 'of all... religions', and I will assume this also includes atheists, thus by offering blessing to a large group that don't care for it and few even offended.
"Your sacrifices will not be forgotten, regardless of the attitudes of those too young and too foolish to know the horrors of conflict."
Unfortunately, most have been forgotten. Aside from that, age has little to do with knowing the horrors of conflict, but rather one's experience with it, and/or interest in it. There are toddlers with more experience in life's cruelty than those that have lived and died a full life. Now fools, yes, I'll acquiesce they'll never understand things as well or as unfortunately as others of more gifted intellect.
So, as I've said. It's a shame so many died in wars undeserving of their efforts. I am not ungrateful for their effort, for that would imply there is something to be grateful for; I merely hold sympathy for their vain deaths; and contempt for how they and so many others allowed such an occurrence to come about.